Fowler is a pure projection kind of pick, IMO (as a pass rusher).  He's very young, and shows he has the passion and the willingness to "compete" (to use a Gus-ism).  If some coaching staff sees him and says "wow, we can play him at LEO, at OTTO, or move him all over the defense" then maybe he is the pick.

 

But I don't see how people can compare him and Beasley and still think Fowler is the better pass rusher.  

 

To me, that is BY FAR the most important thing.   Being "versatile" only matters if you're equally good at multiple positions.  Just playing different positions doesn't make you more versatile IMO.  I haven't seen a lot from Fowler to indicate he is athletic enough to be a consistent 10 sack/year kind of guy, but I've been wrong many times before.

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Fowler is a pure projection kind of pick, IMO (as a pass rusher).  He's very young, and shows he has the passion and the willingness to "compete" (to use a Gus-ism).  If some coaching staff sees him and says "wow, we can play him at LEO, at OTTO, or move him all over the defense" then maybe he is the pick.

 

But I don't see how people can compare him and Beasley and still think Fowler is the better pass rusher.  

 

To me, that is BY FAR the most important thing.   Being "versatile" only matters if you're equally good at multiple positions.  Just playing different positions doesn't make you more versatile IMO.  I haven't seen a lot from Fowler to indicate he is athletic enough to be a consistent 10 sack/year kind of guy, but I've been wrong many times before.

 

 

I can see Fowler racking up 10 sacks a year... then again, I can see Beasley racking up 20 at LEO and making the Pro Bowl as a direct result.

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The Alabama Left Tackle who abused Dante Fowler.

Not his best game but not sure where this comes from either?  Amost every play he lined up against him he got pressure on the QB

 

https://youtu.be/qbXnvFer7ZI

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I can see Fowler racking up 10 sacks a year... then again, I can see Beasley racking up 20 at LEO and making the Pro Bowl as a direct result.

 

I guess he could - but then it just makes me wonder why he never got 10 sacks in college.

 

After all, the competition is significantly easier in college, you'd think Fowler would get 10 easily if he's such a good pass rusher.

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Not sure where this comes from?  Amost every play he lined up against him he got pressure on the QB

 

https://youtu.be/qbXnvFer7ZI

 

You are watching a different game then.  There were 3 or 4 plays where he generated a little pressure, but wasn't close to a sack.  Then he started getting abused, especially vs the run.  Like I said, go find that one play where he got buried and your jaw will drop.  Probably 70 or 80% of the game he was moved over to LE to avoid Cam.  And like I said earlier, watch him get pushed back at the goal line by the TE and then sealed off for the touchdown.  

 

Fowler racked up 1 solo tackle and 0 sacks and 0 hurries that game.  Not exactly impressive.

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You are watching a different game then.  There were 3 or 4 plays where he generated a little pressure, but wasn't close to a sack.  Then he started getting abused, especially vs the run.  Like I said, go find that one play where he got buried and your jaw will drop.  Probably 70 or 80% of the game he was moved over to LE to avoid Cam.  And like I said earlier, watch him get pushed back at the goal line by the TE and then sealed off for the touchdown.  

 

I see it similarly to you.

 

I don't see Fowler as this great run defender that some of you see.  I also don't see him as a great pass rusher.  He hasn't made a ton of splash plays so I can't call him a playmaker.

 

He doesn't look like the best defensive player in this year's draft.  

 

He's not an elite talent IMO.  Beasley is an elite pass rusher, but I question if he brings the all-around game.  I would be OK with taking him at #3.  To me, the elite talents are Amari Cooper and Leonard Williams, so I'd go with one of them at #3.

 

Pass rush wise, would Fowler give us much more than Ryan Davis?  They are very similar physically.  Fowler had the better 40 time but the more important measurables like the vertical, broad, and 3-cone were pretty much the same.

 

Davis went undrafted.  He was also 6'2-6'3ish and 260 lbs

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I see it similarly to you.

 

I don't see Fowler as this great run defender that some of you see.  I also don't see him as a great pass rusher.  He hasn't made a ton of splash plays so I can't call him a playmaker.

 

He doesn't look like the best defensive player in this year's draft.  

 

Pass rush wise, would he give us much more than Ryan Davis?  They are very similar physically.  Fowler had the better 40 time but the more important measurables like the vertical and 3-cone were pretty much the same.

 

Davis went undrafted.

 

Fowler to Davis is a fair and accurate comparison I think.

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Fowler to Davis is a fair and accurate comparison I think.

Delusional. He's a consensus top 5 pick.

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Delusional. He's a consensus top 5 pick.

 

I mean more by play style than anything.  Ryan Davis did play extremely well last year though... 6.5 sacks for the small sample of snaps that he saw is great.

 

If Ryan Davis' name was Dante Fowler and he played a backup role next year as a rookie and had that kind of production he would be getting all sorts of attention as an up-and-coming star.

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Fowler can just do more at a high level. Speed rush, bull rush, delayed blitz, set the edge, get off blocks, violent, better hand usage, and really good at dropping back in coverage. 

 

 

Delusional. 

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Delusional. He's a consensus top 5 pick.

 

I think it's fair to say Ryan Davis is a poor man's Dante Fowler.

 

Davis had 6.5 sacks in limited playing time.  With an increased role - I really think he could get 10.

 

Davis is a pretty good player man.

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Fowler to Davis is a fair and accurate comparison I think.

Dante Fowler and Ryan Davis are a fair and accurate comparison?  lol

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But physically you're looking at basically the same player.

Davis hasn't shown he can be a full-time DE, and I have doubts that Fowler can too.

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Dante Fowler and Ryan Davis are a fair and accurate comparison?  lol

 

As pass rushers, sure.

Physically, you'll be hard pressed to find anyone more similar to Fowler actually.

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As pass rushers, sure.

Physically, you'll be hard pressed to find anyone more similar to Fowler actually.

 

Height, weight, speed, athletic ability, role on this defense - they are all very similar.  Not sure what the exasperation is about.

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I mean more by play style than anything.  Ryan Davis did play extremely well last year though... 6.5 sacks for the small sample of snaps that he saw is great.

 

If Ryan Davis' name was Dante Fowler and he played a backup role next year as a rookie and had that kind of production he would be getting all sorts of attention as an up-and-coming star.

 

Pretty much how I see it.

In fact, I think it's a stretch that Fowler will average 6.5 sacks/year for anyone.

 

I see him as a solid 3-4 OLB that gets 70 tackles and 5-7 sacks/year.  

 

I don't see him as a 3-4 OLB or LEO that can even sniff 15+ sacks in a year.

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Height, weight, speed, athletic ability, role on this defense - they are all very similar.  Not sure what the exasperation is about.

Cause you aren't building up the guy they like...

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Dante Fowler and Ryan Davis are a fair and accurate comparison? lol

Duhhhh!


Fowler has been compared to Justin Houston multiple times by multiple respected draft analysts but how dumb are they?!


Ryan Davis is the obvious one!



Seriously though I really don't understand the Fowler hate. People are just disregarding FACTS when it comes to Fowler and Beasley. You would think Fowler would be close to going undradted if you listen to the folks around here.

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Fowler doesn't have the production that people want to see because he was moved all over the field at Florida. They never gave him a position and said, play here and just rush the QB, like we would ask. They moved him all over the field and expected different things at every position.

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Duhhhh!


Fowler has been compared to Justin Houston multiple times by multiple respected draft analysts but how dumb are they?!


Ryan Davis is the obvious one!



Seriously though I really don't understand the Fowler hate. People are just disregarding FACTS when it comes to Fowler and Beasley. You would think Fowler would be close to going undradted if you listen to the folks around here.

Agree, same with Shane Ray.  Some of the same people said they wouldnt take Ray at all. 2 of the best pass rushers in the class would would go undrafted if these guys were GMs. 

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