Didn't realize we were a team like SF...

Didn't realize this team has won more than 5 games a year in the last handful of seasons..

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Didn't realize this team has won more than 5 games a year in the last handful of seasons..

Ahhh so let's blow a 2nd round pick on a 30 year old RB. Rebuild over!

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Ahhh so let's blow a 2nd round pick on a 30 year old RB. Rebuild over!

Like I said, message board posters ALWAYS know best.. Screw the opinions of people who actually played the game and get paid to analyze this team on a professional level.

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Like I said, message board posters ALWAYS know best.. Screw the opinions of people who actually played the game and get paid to analyze this team on a professional level.

Like I said, those people didn't say Jax should... They said a team like SF...

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Like I said, those people didn't say Jax should... They said a team like SF...

The point is, those people also said a second rounder.. Did I say the Jags should give up a second rounder?

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The point is, those people also said a second rounder.. Did I say the Jags should give up a second rounder?

I'm sure most MBers aren't here debating on SF sending a second rounder, they are debating Jax sending the 2nd rounder. Not seeing the correlation of Boselli, Lageman, and Shadrik saying SF should trade a 2nd and MBers saying that Jax shouldn't...

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I'm sure most MBers aren't here debating on SF sending a second rounder, they are debating Jax sending the 2nd rounder. Not seeing the correlation of Boselli, Lageman, and Shadrik saying SF should trade a 2nd and MBers saying that Jax shouldn't...

I'm totally against sending any draft pick for AP.. I'm just saying I'd actually pick up his 15 mill a year for the next 3 years for his services.

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I can see the logic in a team taking a chance on him if they feel they are one key cog away from a Super Bowl run.


The Jaguars aren't that team.


It would be dumb.

Exactly.  If that's your missing piece that makes the kind of difference to make a team title contenders, that's one thing.  Peterson doesn't put this team in the Super Bowl, or even in the playoffs. 

 

Besides, I seriously doubt he'd be motivated to play here.  At this point in his career, if he's traded, he'll want to go where he can possibly win a ring. 

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Exactly. If that's your missing piece that makes the kind of difference to make a team title contenders, that's one thing. Peterson doesn't put this team in the Super Bowl, or even in the playoffs.

No single piece of this weird puzzle would, but the more single pieces you add, that's when the bigger picture comes into view. So AP would be treated like a 3 year quick fix, one in my opinion, is worth 15 mill a year, and when one of these RB's start coming into their own (still not sold on Robinson), AP could be very productive for this team.


I don't think anyone is hoping for more than a couple of years out of him, if they are, they'll be highly disappointed. But for 15 million a year for the next 3 years? Give em to me..

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No single piece of this weird puzzle would, but the more single pieces you add, that's when the bigger picture comes into view. So AP would be treated like a 3 year quick fix, one in my opinion, is worth 15 mill a year, and when one of these RB's start coming into their own (still not sold on Robinson), AP could be very productive for this team.


I don't think anyone is hoping for more than a couple of years out of him, if they are, they'll be highly disappointed. But for 15 million a year for the next 3 years? Give em to me..

 

We can get production that would come close enough to what he would offer for significantly less in the draft.  I really don't see any value in bringing a 30 year old RB to this team even if the view is he's a 3 year band aid.  We can draft a guy who may not be AP, but he'll be close enough for a fraction of the cost who isn't just a temporary fix, but a permanent solution. 

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I'd be open to that, but trading a pick straight up for him isn't something I'd be on board with.  AP is no doubt a great player.  But he's 30 years old.  Even if the Jags get 4 years out of him, that's all they'll get.  I'd much prefer getting an extra first than AP.  

 

Now if we knew Blake Bortles was going to have an amazing second year, and blow everyone's minds and get up to the level of Andrew Luck -- then I'd say go for it.

What if we knew AP was the piece to help get Bortles there?

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

I'm sure most MBers aren't here debating on SF sending a second rounder, they are debating Jax sending the 2nd rounder. Not seeing the correlation of Boselli, Lageman, and Shadrik saying SF should trade a 2nd and MBers saying that Jax shouldn't...

I'm surprised Boselli, Lageman, et al said they would send a 2 for AP if they were San Francisco, given the rotting carcass their roster resembles in comparison to how it looked a couple of years ago.

 

This has been a bloodletting of a roster unlike anything I've seen.

 

Bluntly, SF can't afford to give up a 2 for AP.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

Do you have any clue about the history for running backs after they hit the 30 year old threshold?  Obviously not. 

 

If you were the GM and did a deal like this, we could be assured of at least another decade of losing. 

 

This is pretty faulty logic, though. As I said before, comparing AP to your average RBs who hit 30 is apples to oranges. Peterson is a generational talent, so he is more outlier potential by default. There have been a handful of elite RBs that have produced into their 30s. The elite guys are who we should be looking at when wondering how likely it is AP can still produce.

 

If you were a gambling man, would you take the over or under for 3,000 yards the next 3 seasons? I'd be inclined to take the over.

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Fun fact:  AP and Poz are both 30 years old.

 

Funny how 30 is "old" depending on which of the two you are.

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I'd be reluctant to give up anything more than a 4th.

 

But your closing line is intriguing.

 

I don't know if I would go that far.

 

Perhaps you could argue that skill positions wise, that would be the case, but even assuming a big leap for Bortles and a return for Blackmon, I'd still tend to favor Indy

 

Luck

Gore

Johnson

Hilton

Moncrief

Allen

Fleener

 

to Jacksonville's

 

Bortles

Peterson

Blackmon

A. Robinson

Lee

Thomas

Lewis

 

Age wise, the edge would go to Jacksonville.

 

If you factor in OL, that would drop Jacksonville's grade.

 

I hope Caldwell stays away from AP. This is how teams venture into endless mediocrity. Start trading and losing picks for aging stars when they're not close to contending. 

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Fun fact: AP and Poz are both 30 years old.


Funny how 30 is "old" depending on which of the two you are.

Well I don't know anyone here that would consider Poz young.

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Well I don't know anyone here that would consider Poz young.

 

As they shouldn't consider AP, as well.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

As they shouldn't consider AP, as well.

I follow you.

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Being older in the NFL is pretty common, lot's of older players who still play.. The trick is to be older and still productive, that's where there's a significant drop-off.. I'm willing to bet AP can still be highly productive given his age..

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This is pretty faulty logic, though. As I said before, comparing AP to your average RBs who hit 30 is apples to oranges. Peterson is a generational talent, so he is more outlier potential by default. There have been a handful of elite RBs that have produced into their 30s. The elite guys are who we should be looking at when wondering how likely it is AP can still produce.

 

If you were a gambling man, would you take the over or under for 3,000 yards the next 3 seasons? I'd be inclined to take the over.

Actually, the logic is extremely sound.  Even the best backs in the history of the league hit a wall, and when they do, it happens quickly.  He's not unique in any way from others who have played before him who saw their skills erode after they crossed that 30 year old threshold.  He MIGHT get production over the next 3 years, or he might not.  There's no guarantee, and with that contract, there has to be some level of expectation that he'll be on the field producing.  For what it would cost to bring him here, we could draft one of the top backs in the draft this year and have an actual fix instead of hoping AP can hold it together.  Sorry, it's a no brainer for me. 

 

Being older in the NFL is pretty common, lot's of older players who still play.. The trick is to be older and still productive, that's where there's a significant drop-off.. I'm willing to bet AP can still be highly productive given his age..

 

There are some positions where being older than 30 isn't a deterrent.  That's not the case for running backs. 

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