First off, I have no problem using the Warmists' own numbers to show flaws in their arguments. If anything, that means the problem could be even less than the numbers show. NOAA adjusts temperature measurements. As far as I know they haven't started adjusting tide gauge measurements yet.


I read the article. A 500 year old city on an ocean that has been rising for most of those 500 years is definitely in trouble.
It has NOTHING to do with CO2. Eventually they are going to have to move things to ground that is 10 inches higher to keep the status quo for an additional 100 years (2.5 mm per yer = 2.5 cm per decade = 1 inch per decade). 10 whole inches, why they might as well just abandon the city now.

The AP is very far left of center. So is Yahoo News.

Damn Lizard People controlling the AP.

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I wouldn't worry about tidal waves.


"Insurance giant Swiss Re has estimated that the economy in southeast Florida could sustain $33 billion in damage from rising seas and other climate-related damage in 2030, according to the Miami-Dade Sea Level Rise Task Force."


From the article^^


15 yrs from now. 33 billion. One community. Do the math, friend, and you will see why Scott rather bury his head in the sand.

<b>Within a few years "children just aren't going to know what snow is." Snowfall will be "a very rare and exciting event." </b><i>Dr. David Viner, senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia, interviewed by the UK Independent, March 20, 2000.</i>

Ten years later, in December 2009, London was hit by the heaviest snowfall seen in 20 years. And just last week, a snowstorm forced Heathrow airport to shut down, stranding thousands of Christmas travelers.

 

My brother in law had 5 inches of fresh snow last Friday. I am sure there has been more places then just Nebraska being hit over the last week or so.

 

<b>"[By] 1995, the greenhouse effect would be desolating the heartlands of North America and Eurasia with horrific drought, causing crop failures and food riots…[By 1996] The Platte River of Nebraska would be dry, while a continent-wide black blizzard of prairie topsoil will stop traffic on interstates, strip paint from houses and shut down computers." </b><i>Michael Oppenheimer, published in "Dead Heat," St. Martin's Press, 1990.</i>

 

<b>"Arctic specialist Bernt Balchen says a general warming trend over the North Pole is melting the polar ice cap and may produce an ice-free Arctic Ocean by the year 2000." </b><i>Christian Science Monitor</i><i>, June 8, 1972.</i>

Ice coverage has fallen, though as of last month, the Arctic Ocean had 3.82 million square miles of ice cover -- an area larger than the continental United States -- according to The National Snow and Ice Data Center.


 

<b>"Using computer models, researchers concluded that global warming would raise average annual temperatures nationwide two degrees by 2010." </b><i>Associated Press, May 15, 1989.</i>

Status of prediction: According to NASA, global temperature has increased by about 0.7 degrees Fahrenheit since 1989. And U.S. temperature has increased even less over the same period.

The group that did the study, Atmospheric and Environmental Research Inc., said it could not comment in time for this story due to the holidays.

But Oppenheimer said that the difference between an increase of nearly one degree and an increase of two degrees was "definitely within the margin of error... I would think the scientists themselves would be happy with that prediction."

Many scientists, especially in the 1970s, made an error in the other direction by predicting global freezing:

 

<b>"By 1985, air pollution will have reduced the amount of sunlight reaching earth by one half." </b><i>Life magazine</i><i>, January 1970.</i>

Life Magazine also noted that some people disagree, "but scientists have solid experimental and historical evidence to support each of the following predictions."

Air quality has actually improved since 1970. Studies find that sunlight reaching the Earth fell by somewhere between 3 and 5 percent over the period in question.

 

<b>"By the year 2000 the United Kingdom will be simply a small group of impoverished islands, inhabited by some 70 million hungry people ... If I were a gambler, I would take even money that England will not exist in the year 2000." </b><i>Ehrlich, Speech at British Institute For Biology, September 1971.</i>

Ehrlich's prediction was taken seriously when he made it, and New Scientist magazine underscored his speech in an editorial titled "In Praise of Prophets."

"When you predict the future, you get things wrong," Ehrlich admitted, but "how wrong is another question. I would have lost if I had had taken the bet. However, if you look closely at England, what can I tell you? They're having all kinds of problems, just like everybody else."

 

<b>"In ten years all important animal life in the sea will be extinct. Large areas of coastline will have to be evacuated because of the stench of dead fish." </b><i>Ehrlich, speech during <a class="" href='http://www.foxnews.com/topics/earth-day.htm#r_src=ramp'>Earth Day</a>, 1970</i>

"Certainly the first part of that was very largely true -- only off in time," Ehrlich told FoxNews.com. "The second part is, well -- the fish haven't washed up, but there are very large dead zones around the world, and they frequently produce considerable stench."

"Again, not totally accurate, but I never claimed to predict the future with full accuracy," he said.

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It's been really nice here the last two days. Sunny, in the mid-70s with a cool breeze.

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It's been really nice here the last two days. Sunny, in the mid-70s with a cool breeze.

 

My roses have really enjoyed the recent weather. I've never seen so many flowers on them at one time.

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"Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"

Within a few years "children just aren't going to know what snow is." Snowfall will be "a very rare and exciting event." Dr. David Viner, senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia, interviewed by <a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/snowfalls-are-now-just-a-thing-of-the-past-724017.html'>the UK Independent</a>, March 20, 2000.

Ten years later, in December 2009, London was hit by the heaviest snowfall seen in 20 years. And just last week, a snowstorm forced Heathrow airport to shut down, stranding thousands of Christmas travelers.


My brother in law had 5 inches of fresh snow last Friday. I am sure there has been more places then just Nebraska being hit over the last week or so.

"[By] 1995, the greenhouse effect would be desolating the heartlands of North America and Eurasia with horrific drought, causing crop failures and food riots…[By 1996] The Platte River of Nebraska would be dry, while a continent-wide black blizzard of prairie topsoil will stop traffic on interstates, strip paint from houses and shut down computers." Michael Oppenheimer, published in <a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/1850432414/ref=sib_dp_srch_pop?v=search-inside&keywords=heartlands&go.x=0&go.y=0'>"Dead Heat," St. Martin's Press</a>, 1990.

"Arctic specialist Bernt Balchen says a general warming trend over the North Pole is melting the polar ice cap and may produce an ice-free Arctic Ocean by the year 2000." <a class="bbc_url" href='http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/csmonitor_historic/access/264242772.html?dids=264242772:264242772&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:AI&date=Jun+08,+1972&author=&pub=Christian+Science+Monitor&desc=Ice-free+Arctic+Ocean+near?&pqatl=google'>Christian Science Monitor</a>, June 8, 1972.

Ice coverage has <a class="bbc_url" href='http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_stddev_timeseries.png'>fallen</a>, though as of last month, the Arctic Ocean had 3.82 million square miles of ice cover -- an area larger than the continental United States -- according to <a class="bbc_url" href='http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/'>The National Snow and Ice Data Center</a>.


"Using computer models, researchers concluded that global warming would raise average annual temperatures nationwide two degrees by 2010." Associated Press, May 15, 1989.

Status of prediction: <a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/news/20100121/418335main_land-ocean-full.jpg'>According to NASA</a>, global temperature has increased by about 0.7 degrees Fahrenheit since 1989. And U.S. temperature has <a class="bbc_url" href='http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/Fig.D.lrg.gif'>increased even less</a> over the same period.

The group that did the study, Atmospheric and Environmental Research Inc., said it could not comment in time for this story due to the holidays.

But Oppenheimer said that the difference between an increase of nearly one degree and an increase of two degrees was "definitely within the margin of error... I would think the scientists themselves would be happy with that prediction."

Many scientists, especially in the 1970s, made an error in the other direction by predicting global freezing:

"By 1985, air pollution will have reduced the amount of sunlight reaching earth by one half." <a class="bbc_url" href='http://books.google.com/books?id=bFAEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA3&dq=%22By+1985,+air+pollution+will+have+reduced+the+amount+of+sunlight+reaching+earth+by+one+half%22&hl=en&ei=AyUYTZGzBcH88AbR74jZDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCMQ6AEwAA'>Life magazine</a>, January 1970.

Life Magazine also noted that some people disagree, "but scientists have solid experimental and historical evidence to support each of the following predictions."

Air quality has actually improved since 1970. Studies find that <a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.manhattan-institute.org/energymyths/myth6.htm'>sunlight reaching the Earth fell</a> by somewhere between 3 and 5 percent over the period in question.

"By the year 2000 the United Kingdom will be simply a small group of impoverished islands, inhabited by some 70 million hungry people ... If I were a gambler, I would take even money that England will not exist in the year 2000." Ehrlich, <a class="bbc_url" href='http://books.google.com/books?id=azwQStEZq-8C&pg=PA606&dq=%22even+money+that+England+will+not+exist+in+the+year+2000%22&hl=en&ei=DCQYTa_XBI-q8AaF1ZWLDg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CCgQ6AEwAQ'>Speech at British Institute For Biology</a>, September 1971.

Ehrlich's prediction was taken seriously when he made it, and New Scientist magazine underscored his speech in an editorial titled "In Praise of Prophets."

"When you predict the future, you get things wrong," Ehrlich admitted, but "how wrong is another question. I would have lost if I had had taken the bet. However, if you look closely at England, what can I tell you? They're having all kinds of problems, just like everybody else."

"In ten years all important animal life in the sea will be extinct. Large areas of coastline will have to be evacuated because of the stench of dead fish." Ehrlich, speech during <a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.foxnews.com/topics/earth-day.htm#r_src=ramp'>Earth Day</a>, 1970

"Certainly the first part of that was very largely true -- only off in time," Ehrlich told FoxNews.com. "The second part is, well -- the fish haven't washed up, but there are very large dead zones around the world, and they frequently produce considerable stench."

"Again, not totally accurate, but I never claimed to predict the future with full accuracy," he said.

Where is all that from?

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Where is all that from?

 

He provided links to source it?

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He provided links to source it?

The only link that works is one to buy 'Dead Heat' off of amazon.


I'm wondering where he copied and pasted that from. It's obviously from somewhere.

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The only link that works is one to buy 'Dead Heat' off of amazon.


I'm wondering where he copied and pasted that from. It's obviously from somewhere.

 

possible only one of the links didn't work for me.  sure.

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Where is all that from?

I'd have to go back and look where I got it. I figured the attached links were good enough.

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The only link that works is one to buy 'Dead Heat' off of amazon.


I'm wondering where he copied and pasted that from. It's obviously from somewhere.

 

 

possible only one of the links didn't work for me.  sure.

I got all to work. They are old, the article that complied it was written in 2000

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I got all to work. They are old, the article that complied it was written in 2000

Well, the links on your article from 15 yrs ago citing speeches from biologists and novelists from 45 years ago, don't pull up on my iPhone. Regardless, it's really not pertinent.

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Well, the links on your article from 15 yrs ago citing speeches from biologists and novelists from 45 years ago, don't pull up on my iPhone. Regardless, it's really not pertinent.

 

Yeah, we can't ever hold the fact that the alarmists prophecies don't come true against their current prophecies, we must have FAITH!

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Yeah, we can't ever hold the fact that the alarmists prophecies don't come true against their current prophecies, we must have FAITH!

If you want to hang on to what some dude said in the sixties, go ahead if it makes you feel better.

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If you want to hang on to what some dude said in the sixties, go ahead if it makes you feel better.

 

The 60s, the 70s, the 80s. the 90s, the last decade. Hell, one priest even said 8 years ago that we had 8 years to reverse AGCC or WE WOULD AL BE DEAD!!!!!!!!, but, of course, we aren't. Maybe you are though, I hadn't considered that. Are you feeling ok? I'm feeling a little warm myself, like a quarter of a Centigrade or something.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Well, the links on your article from 15 yrs ago citing speeches from biologists and novelists from 45 years ago, don't pull up on my iPhone. Regardless, it's really not pertinent.

It proves that these predictions being made are at times rather ridiculous, and not even close to accurate. That is why the original reply was to you quoting someone predicting what will happen by 2030.

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It proves that these predictions being made are at times rather ridiculous, and not even close to accurate. That is why the original reply was to you quoting someone predicting what will happen by 2030.

You are comparing apples and oranges. Swiss Re is a global insurance agency with over 11k employees that clears billions in profit each year. They make their bread by making these types of predictions accurately. Comparing their analysis to what biologist said on Earth Day 45 years ago is not a fair comparison.

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http://m.ndtv.com/world-news/weakening-a...asa-763240


Welp.

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http://m.ndtv.com/world-news/weakening-a...asa-763240


Welp.

NASA won't be able to research anything here shortly. 

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Hey Liberals........

 

 

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http://m.ndtv.com/world-news/weakening-a...asa-763240


Welp.

 

Not a surprise

 

https://news.vice.com/article/it-was-war...e-bad-news

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