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The Everett Golson Sweepstakes

#41

Quote:U mad?
 

relieved would be the better word

 

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#42

I can see why FSU would take him as a stop gap. Probably don't want to throw a true frosh in the fire, and Maguire sucks. I was really hoping he wouldn't choose UF.


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#43

Quote:I agree. FSU has had three first round QBs under Jimbo. What an idiotic decision to go play for a guy who could help him a lot.
 

I think it's a good deal for FSU, but I don't see him being an NFL qb.

 

Now the issue is going to be learning that playbook in a very short time.  Time to hit the books.

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#44

Quote:relieved would be the better word

 
 

He's better than what's at UF right now.

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#45

Quote:I think it's a good deal for FSU, but I don't see him being an NFL qb.

 

Now the issue is going to be learning that playbook in a very short time.  Time to hit the books.
 

I'm not saying he's gonna be a first round pick or even an NFL QB, but he's gonna be coached by arguably the best QB coach in the country, and he has a plethora of weapons on offense.

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#46

I like Golson, ND is just a terrible team and he will do much better at FSU and I'm also a gator fan but badger is an idiot
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#47
(This post was last modified: 05-19-2015, 03:24 PM by badger.)

Quote:I'm not saying he's gonna be a first round pick or even an NFL QB, but he's gonna be coached by arguably the best QB coach in the country, and he has a plethora of weapons on offense.
 

Ponder and Manuel were pretty average - (above average).  Stop attributing the success of Jameis to Jimbo when it's obviously the reverse.


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#48

Quote:Ponder and Manuel were pretty average - (above average).  Stop attributing the success of Jameis to Jimbo when it's obviously the reverse.
 

Right. It has absolutely nothing to do with Jimbo.

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#49
(This post was last modified: 05-19-2015, 03:51 PM by badger.)

Quote:Right. It has absolutely nothing to do with Jimbo.
 

probably very little considering Jameis came in day one and was lighting up the scoreboard

 

just seems convenient to call him the best QB coach in the country after a couple seasons with the best college QB around at the time.  the previous few seasons his QBs were not all that great. 

 


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#50

Quote:probably very little considering Jameis came in day one and was lighting up the scoreboard


just seems convenient to call him the best QB coach in the country after a couple seasons with the best college QB around at the time. the previous few seasons his QBs were not all that great.


Umm..a lot of people were touting Jimbo as arguably the best QB Coach long before Jameis.
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#51

Quote:Ponder and Manuel were pretty average - (above average).  Stop attributing the success of Jameis to Jimbo when it's obviously the reverse.
 

I think it speaks volumes that both Ponder and Manuel were 1st round picks despite how bad they were. Ponder I thought had enough smarts and football savvy to make it, but Manuel was awful. Even the most diehard FSU fans were surprised he was taken where he was taken.

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#52

Quote:Umm..a lot of people were touting Jimbo as arguably the best QB Coach long before Jameis.
 

ive never heard it.  I guess I would need to read a lot of tomahawkslop.com to hear about any of that nonsense

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#53

Quote:I think it speaks volumes that both Ponder and Manuel were 1st round picks despite how bad they were. Ponder I thought had enough smarts and football savvy to make it, but Manuel was awful. Even the most diehard FSU fans were surprised he was taken where he was taken.
 

I don't think their draft status had much to do with their college careers and more to do with their pre-draft workouts.  they fooled a couple teams into thinking they were good, but most people who had seen them play under Fischer would not have been so impressed to pull the trigger that early.  something happened after they left FSU, not while they were there

 

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#54
(This post was last modified: 05-19-2015, 04:05 PM by KingIngram052787.)

So, per badger, Coach Fisher, who has had his last several QBs go in the first round, has won several conference championships, BCS bowls, a national championship and competed in the first ever CFB playoff, is not a good coach and has underachieved.

 

As a diehard Seminole fan, I can't wait to keep having terrible coaches & underachieving coaches/teams.


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#55
(This post was last modified: 05-19-2015, 04:09 PM by SpeedyG.)

Quote:I don't think their draft status had much to do with their college careers and more to do with their pre-draft workouts.  they fooled a couple teams into thinking they were good, but most people who had seen them play under Fischer would not have been so impressed to pull the trigger that early.  something happened after they left FSU, not while they were there

 
 

Or perhaps its the fact that they are prepared by running a pro set offense that Jimbo runs, compared to gimmicky offenses that most colleges run nowadays that doesn't teach a QB to make more than one reads? For all the faults of Winston off-the-field (and even on the field hist last year) and the tantalizing physical capabilities of Mariota, isn't his pro-readiness...thanks to being prepared by FSU's pro-style offense, a big reason why he went #1?


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#56
(This post was last modified: 05-19-2015, 04:36 PM by badger.)

Quote:So, per badger, Coach Fisher, who has had his last several QBs go in the first round, has won several conference championships, BCS bowls, a national championship and competed in the first ever CFB playoff, is not a good coach and has underachieved.

 

As a diehard Seminole fan, I can't wait to keep having terrible coaches & underachieving coaches/teams.
 

I think you are using that term very loosely

 

he was underachieving before Jameis arrived.

 

in comes Jameis and now suddenly "BEST COACH EVVVVVERRRRRR!"

 


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#57

Quote:Or perhaps its the fact that they are prepared by running a pro set offense that Jimbo runs, compared to gimmicky offenses that most colleges run nowadays that doesn't teach a QB to make more than one reads? For all the faults of Winston off-the-field (and even on the field hist last year) and the tantalizing physical capabilities of Mariota, isn't his pro-readiness...thanks to being prepared by FSU's pro-style offense, a big reason why he went #1?
 

I don't see how having a pro-style offense makes him the best QB coach in the nation.  it just means he has a pretty basic system, and it was very bland under Ponder/Manuel to the point where Jimbo was on the hot seat.

 

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#58
(This post was last modified: 05-19-2015, 04:47 PM by KingIngram052787.)

Quote:I think you are using that term very loosely

 

he was underachieving before Jameis arrived.

 

in comes Jameis and now suddenly "BEST COACH EVVVVVERRRRRR!"

 
 

No one is saying he's the best coach ever, but looking at his accomplishments and ability to keep a team relevant, especially where this team was when he took over as head coach, and his recruiting, which is the foundation for any good team really, and it's hard to argue he's not a very good coach.

 

Winning conference championships and BCS bowls is not underachieving.


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#59

Quote:I don't see how having a pro-style offense makes him the best QB coach in the nation.  it just means he has a pretty basic system, and it was very bland under Ponder/Manuel to the point where Jimbo was on the hot seat.

 
 

Jimbo was never on the hot-seat.  Maybe some crazy lunatic fans said stupid things, but as far as the people making the decisions, that's not accurate at all.

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#60

Quote:No one is saying he's the best coach ever, but looking at his accomplishments and ability to keep a team relevant, especially where this team was when he took over as head coach, and his recruiting, which is the foundation for any good team really, and it's hard to argue he's not a very good coach.

 

Winning conference championships and BCS bowls is not underachieving.
 

Winning a conference championship in the ACC is hardly worth bragging about

 

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