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Quote:Operative word I used, "play".Actually he did have quite a few starts. He didnt break 2500 passing yards in a season until his 7th season. He was the quenticential journeyman. You obviously have no clue what a journeyman is. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! Quote:Actually he did have quite a few starts. He didnt break 2500 passing yards in a season until his 7th season.0 starts before he joined SF. Sorry, not a journeyman. http://www.nfl.com/player/steveyoung/2503843/profile
Now that you are arguing it, he is a perfect example of why I'd rather a young backup vs. an aged vet journeyman. Steve Young is a fine example. Thank you.
Quote:Actually he did have quite a few starts. He didnt break 2500 passing yards in a season until his 7th season.And you know how many starts he had before his 7th season? A grand total of ZERO. And I don't have a clue? LOL! Quote:Actually he did have quite a few starts. He didnt break 2500 passing yards in a season until his 7th season.A journeyman is an average player who drifts from team to team, good enough to stay in the league and maybe fill in as a short-term starter in a pinch, but not someone you build a team around. Steve Young played in the USFL (which folded, hardly his fault that he left the team), then spent a couple of miserable years with Tampa before being acquired by the 49ers and becoming a Hall of Famer. Matt Hasselbeck is a journeyman. Shaun Hill is a journeyman. Steve Young is not and was never a journeyman. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! Quote:And you know how many starts he had before his 7th season? A grand total of ZERO.Young was 3-16 as a starter in Tampa. Who doesn't have a clue or obviously access to Google? Quote:A journeyman is an average player who drifts from team to team, good enough to stay in the league and maybe fill in as a short-term starter in a pinch, but not someone you build a team around. Steve Young played in the USFL (which folded, hardly his fault that he left the team), then spent a couple of miserable years with Tampa before being acquired by the 49ers and becoming a Hall of Famer.Exactly. Hopefully Bortles is the guy and none of this matters! Quote:Young was 3-16 as a starter in Tampa.http://www.nfl.com/player/steveyoung/2503843/profile This is beside the point because he was absolutely, in no way a journeyman, but nfl.com shows he didn't start any of his games in TB. It's truly beside the point. And it's you that doesn't have a clue. Quote:http://www.nfl.com/player/steveyoung/2503843/profileNFL doesn't show alot of stats from that far back. Doesn't change the truth. He was a journeyman. Get over it. You are just plain wrong. LOL! We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! Quote:A journeyman is an average player who drifts from team to team, good enough to stay in the league and maybe fill in as a short-term starter in a pinch, but not someone you build a team around. Steve Young played in the USFL (which folded, hardly his fault that he left the team), then spent a couple of miserable years with Tampa before being acquired by the 49ers and becoming a Hall of Famer. Quote:NFL doesn't show alot of stats from that far back. Doesn't change the truth.I'm not gonna waste my time on this, especially after TJBender already nailed it. Read and learn young jedi. Quote:I'm not gonna waste my time on this, especially after TJBender already nailed it. Read and learn young jedi.Good because you obviously have no clue as to what you are talking about. LOL! Quote:NFL doesn't show alot of stats from that far back. Doesn't change the truth.I don't understand how a Hall of Famer who didn't work out with his first NFL team then spent a few years as a backup qualifies as a journeyman. The closest journeyman analogue to your argument that I can come up with would be Rich Gannon or Steve Buerlein, maybe. Steve DeBerg is the quintessential journeyman: seven teams in a 21-year career. Good enough to hang around, not good enough to be a long-term starter (despite his one good year in KC). Steve Young, who played for two teams in a Hall of Fame NFL career, is just not a journeyman by any sane definition of the term. Quote:I don't understand how a Hall of Famer who didn't work out with his first NFL team then spent a few years as a backup qualifies as a journeyman. The closest journeyman analogue to your argument that I can come up with would be Rich Gannon or Steve Buerlein, maybe. Steve DeBerg is the quintessential journeyman: seven teams in a 21-year career. Good enough to hang around, not good enough to be a long-term starter (despite his one good year in KC). Steve Young, who played for two teams in a Hall of Fame NFL career, is just not a journeyman by any sane definition of the term.Thank you for clearly understanding and conveying the simple concept. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! Quote:I don't understand how a Hall of Famer who didn't work out with his first NFL team then spent a few years as a backup qualifies as a journeyman. The closest journeyman analogue to your argument that I can come up with would be Rich Gannon or Steve Buerlein, maybe. Steve DeBerg is the quintessential journeyman: seven teams in a 21-year career. Good enough to hang around, not good enough to be a long-term starter (despite his one good year in KC). Steve Young, who played for two teams in a Hall of Fame NFL career, is just not a journeyman by any sane definition of the term.3-19 as a starter for one team then playing back up duty for the next 4 years makes you a journeyman. Journeyman is a skill level. You can be a journeyman level player on the same team for your entire career. You can look it up. A journeyman is a worker or sportsplayer that is reliable but not outstanding. Quote:Thank you for clearly understanding and conveying the simple concept. Quote:Thank you for clearly understanding and conveying the simple concept.Google is your friend. You should try it some time. You wouldn't be getting your definitions all confused.
Ok, from my friend google.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journeyman_quarterback How did we even get to this point, i don't care that you don't know what a journeyman QB is. Quote:3-19 as a starter for one team then playing back up duty for the next 4 years makes you a journeyman.Have you really not been watching football and are going by your google search. It's implied, very commonly, that a journeyman QB in the NFL is one who has been in the league for a long time and bounces from team to team. You can keep replying all you want, i'm done arguing this nonsense with you. This is a commonly used phrase, sorry you are unfamiliar. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
I'll just leave this here:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journeyman_quarterback *slowly walks away*
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Quote:I'll just leave this here:Thank you, this suffieciently ends the conversation, hopefully. Quote:Have you really not been watching football and are going by your google search. It's implied, very commonly, that a journeyman QB in the NFL is one who has been in the league for a long time and bounces from team to team.You do know San Fran was his third stop as a professional? Young spent two seasons in the USFL before his less than spectacular stint in Tampa. But of course, you wouldn't have a clue about that. So you have an anonymous wiki article that doesn't list him as a journeyman. How about the opinion from someone who is an actual journalist for his hometown newspaper http://www.newstimes.com/sports/slidesho...628102.php How about another article that actually has a name/face attached to it referring to him being a journeyman http://thebiglead.com/2011/07/27/theres-...arterback/ Or another http://www.maxpreps.com/news/id3X__9hEeC...-young.htm But of course we will just ignore these people and Webster's dictionary that defines a journeyman as "a worker, performer, or athlete who is experienced and good but not excellent" http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/journeyman and continue to rely on our anonymous wiki page as a fool would do. |
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