You conservatives sure do have reading comprehension problems

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I was wrong about Trent Baalke. 

I'm still trying to figure out who it is that's ignoring slavery. You libs keep saying this, but nobody is ignoring it. You're the ones ignoring something by simply fixating on one issue while ignoring the rest.


The only people trying to revise history are liberals who are demanding we erase any reference to our past that they deem offensive from view.


You libs sure are good at tolerance.

Removing it from government buildings not erase from history. Not sure how that's confusing to the conservatives in an uproar about their dear flag.

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Removing it from government buildings not erase from history. Not sure how that's confusing to the conservatives in an uproar about their dear flag.

You're clearly ignoring the news these days.  The agenda isn't just to remove it from state houses.  People are demanding not just the removal of Confederate flags, but the dismantling of Confederate war memorials of all kinds around the country.

 

I do so love how this flag is somehow associated with conservatives when the reality is pretty much the exact opposite.  You liberals should be draping yourself in that flag considering much of what it represents was supported and actively promoted by democrats. Once again, you libs love to ignore history, or simply rewrite it when necessary.

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

You're clearly ignoring the news these days. The agenda isn't just to remove it from state houses. People are demanding not just the removal of Confederate flags, but the dismantling of Confederate war memorials of all kinds around the country.

If the residents don't want them and vote in people to have their wishes seen come to fruition that's on the and is within their rights. Your problem is, as always, you have a miopic view of liberals and assume all think like the radicals in situations like these. Not all of us do. I don't think all of you conservatives are racists, bigots and want a theocracy though indeed your radicals are and do.

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You're clearly ignoring the news these days.  The agenda isn't just to remove it from state houses.  People are demanding not just the removal of Confederate flags, but the dismantling of Confederate war memorials of all kinds around the country.

If a state wanted to build a monument to Bradley Manning, how would you feel about it?

 

Confederate memorials are basically the same thing, it just took us 150 years to figure that out.

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If the residents don't want them and vote in people to have their wishes seen come to fruition that's on the and is within their rights. Your problem is, as always, you have a miopic view of liberals and assume all think like the radicals in situations like these. Not all of us do. I don't think all of you conservatives are racists, bigots and want a theocracy though indeed your radicals are and do.

 

It's funny to me how your statement is exactly how Eric is defining the major purpose of the CIvil War. Slavery was the expressed concern, but the right to make your own decisions as a resident of the state you lived in was the central precept of the secession. 

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I'm still trying to figure out who it is that's ignoring slavery.  You libs keep saying this, but nobody is ignoring it.  You're the ones ignoring something by simply fixating on one issue while ignoring the rest. 

 

The only people trying to revise history are liberals who are demanding we erase any reference to our past that they deem offensive from view. 

 

You libs sure are good at tolerance.

 

TED did not say anyone was ignoring slavery, he quoted his wife who said people flying the Confederate flag are ignoring that slavery was the central issue for the southern states. That's a big difference.

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If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
- Bob Marley


 

If a state wanted to build a monument to Bradley Manning, how would you feel about it?

 

Confederate memorials are basically the same thing, it just took us 150 years to figure that out.

That's a silly analogy. but thanks for proving my point that the agenda is clearly about more than just a flag.  It's about eradicating any visual reminder of our history if some sect finds it offensive. 

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

That's a silly analogy. but thanks for proving my point that the agenda is clearly about more than just a flag.  It's about eradicating any visual reminder of our history if some sect finds it offensive. 

No, it's not about eradicating history. It's about relegating history to the history books. If someone wants to have a private memorial for Confederate soldiers and fly the rebel flag at full mast above it, I could care less. When a government sanctions the flying of the Confederate flag, that's where I take issue. I won't bother going back through the reasons why, as you'd just resort to calling me a "lib" or a "mafia" or something of that sort, but they're all pretty well enumerated throughout this thread.

 

And yes, it is a silly analogy. Manning's crimes against America were far, far, infinitely less severe that what the traitors in charge of the Confederate states are guilty of.

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If the residents don't want them and vote in people to have their wishes seen come to fruition that's on the and is within their rights. Your problem is, as always, you have a miopic view of liberals and assume all think like the radicals in situations like these. Not all of us do. I don't think all of you conservatives are racists, bigots and want a theocracy though indeed your radicals are and do.

 

I don't have a 'miopic' view of liberals.  I simply see them for what/who they are.  I know the issues are just as diverse on the left as they are on the right.  But, for some reason, you and others of your ilk, on issues like this, love those little quips like attaching conservatives and their flags.  The fact is, that flag isn't a conservative symbol at all, but we can't discuss that because it doesn't fit the narrative you're slinging.

 

TED did not say anyone was ignoring slavery, he quoted his wife who said people flying the Confederate flag are ignoring that slavery was the central issue for the southern states. That's a big difference.

 

So, he posts that content here.  Do you think he doesn't embrace that same mindset?  Really? I sincerely doubt he would have dredged that up in this discussion unless he agreed with the sentiment of his wife. 

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

The fact is, that flag isn't a conservative symbol at all

No, it's not. There are racists on both sides of the aisle.

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No, it's not about eradicating history. It's about relegating history to the history books. If someone wants to have a private memorial for Confederate soldiers and fly the rebel flag at full mast above it, I could care less. When a government sanctions the flying of the Confederate flag, that's where I take issue. I won't bother going back through the reasons why, as you'd just resort to calling me a "lib" or a "mafia" or something of that sort, but they're all pretty well enumerated throughout this thread.

 

And yes, it is a silly analogy. Manning's crimes against America were far, far, infinitely less severe that what the traitors in charge of the Confederate states are guilty of.

 

Feel free to dig up any history book that's currently being used in government indoctrination centers.  I'm sure you embrace the lack of content they're teaching when it comes to American history.  You remove the monuments and other symbols from public view because their offensive to someone, and the history is forgotten.  The one thing about history that those of your mindset tend to ignore is that when you don't know your history, good and bad, you're bound to repeat it. 

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

No, it's not. There are racists on both sides of the aisle.

 

You'd never know it based on where the bulk of the accusations are targeted. 

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Feel free to dig up any history book that's currently being used in government indoctrination centers.  I'm sure you embrace the lack of content they're teaching when it comes to American history.  You remove the monuments and other symbols from public view because their offensive to someone, and the history is forgotten.  The one thing about history that those of your mindset tend to ignore is that when you don't know your history, good and bad, you're bound to repeat it. 

At times, it's easy to forget that my high school experience (in Duval County) was well over a decade in my past. At the same time, I recall my US history teacher reciting over and over again how slavery was not the primary motivator behind the Civil War; states' rights was. She had it pretty well stuck in my head, so when I left for college and took my first US history course--at a private university in South Carolina--it surprised me that a professor with a clear leaning to the right literally laughed when someone in the class tried to argue that the Civil War was about states' rights. His exact words, which have stuck with me ever since:

 

"Yeah, the right to own slaves!"

 

I took four more US history courses in college, at both the original school and the larger school in the southwest that I eventually ended up at, including one specifically on the timeframe from 1850-1900. Once again, the professor strongly rebuked the idea that the Civil War was caused by anything other than slavery. There were other reasons behind it, some of them major, but had the United States legalized slavery and guaranteed its legality indefinitely, the Confederate traitors would not have seceded. It really is that simple, and that's not coming from a "government indoctrination center." That's coming from educators of diverse backgrounds in different parts of the country, with PhD's from different schools.

 

Have things changed? I'm sure they have. Common Core is perhaps the dumbest thing to happen to education in the US since, well, ever. Even before Common Core was a pipe dream, educators at higher levels were no longer clinging desperately to the states' rights argument to justify the actions of the Confederate traitors as being motivated by anything other than the desire to maintain slavery.

 

You'd never know it based on where the bulk of the accusations are targeted. 

I'm not blind. There are black people who are extremely racist against white people, and a few of them proudly fly their Black Panthers flags. The difference is that those flags are flown on private property, and their dead are in private cemeteries. The Confederate flag is flown by governments over graveyards for Confederate soldiers that are maintained by taxpayer dollars. That's the inherent difference here, and why that argument's not going anywhere. The black symbol of racism is flown by private citizens. One of the strongest white symbols of racism is flown and honored by state governments that use the taxes of black citizens to maintain the graves of people who fought to keep them enslaved.

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No sense in arguing with them FBT.  It's North - good; South - bad, treasonous, racists.  There is nothing in between.  If history has taught me one thing it is that the winning side has ALWAYS been the good guys and they were ALWAYS fighting for a righteous cause.

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No sense in arguing with them FBT. It's North - good; South - bad, treasonous, racists. There is nothing in between. If history has taught me one thing it is that the winning side has ALWAYS been the good guys and they were ALWAYS fighting for a righteous cause.

Pretty much bud

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Well, I would agree that there is too much focus on what the flag now represents.  I've even heard it compared to the Nazi flag.  Yeah, slavery is evil, but systematic genocide - that's REALLY evil.  There's an element of hyperbole to the meaning of the battle cross that manifests a hysteria I usually see out of the other political wing in this country

 

There is precedent to our nation honoring the dead in a manner customary with their beliefs.  In the 70s, Project Azorian was an attempt to raise a Russian submarine from the bottom of the Pacific, an interesting story in it's own right.  The salvage mission recovered 6 Russian crewmembers which were given a full burial-at-sea ceremony with the USSR flag and national anthem, all sanctioned by the US government.  That would be the same US government that called them "The Evil Empire" not a decade later, but there were our troops on video, saluting in the shadow of hammer and sickle.

 

Y'know what?  It was the right thing to do.  You honor a country's dead with the flag they died under.  Unless of course, you live in Germany....

 

You have me interested in Project Azorian now.

 

I do agree with you that you honor a country's dead with the flag that they died under.  While the CSoA was never actually a country, I believe that the same precedence should be true as well.

 

Sadly, you have many including politicians that are calling for the removal of other monuments and memorials, even though they are part of our nation's history.  Some even go so far as to say that a flag and/or memorial is "offensive".  It's the current PC or "popular" thing to do.

 

This is happening not only with Civil War monuments, but also other things related to religion.

 

I personally don't have an issue with maintaining Civil War monuments and memorials with my dime as a tax payer.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

So, he posts that content here.  Do you think he doesn't embrace that same mindset?  Really? I sincerely doubt he would have dredged that up in this discussion unless he agreed with the sentiment of his wife. 

 

You missed my point. It's obvious he agrees with his wife, but she wasn't saying supporters of flying the confederate flag ignore slavery, she said they ignore slavery was the central issue for the Confederate states.

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If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
- Bob Marley


 

No more Dukes of Hazzard on TV Land.

 

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/07/01/duk...ag-tv-land

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No more Dukes of Hazzard on TV Land.

 

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/07/01/duk...ag-tv-land

Ok, now that's just stupid.

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