Been my experiance that the AK-47 is a far Superior weapon them the M-16 (AR-15). Sure the fire rate is slower but it doesn't JAM!

 

As an owner of both I can say they have their perks and faults. The AR platform is a much more versatile weapon, depending on the make it's usually a lighter rifle then the standard AK-47. The AK-47 however is a much more durable weapon, in a life or death situation I'd rather have my AK then my AR but at the range having fun I'll take my AR most of the time.

 

Also remember the AR models are lighter versions of the real M-16, the fully automatic piston loaded M-16 is very different from the Semi-Auto Gas chambered AR-15. As were the only difference in my AK and the one used in combat overseas is a little retaining clip that easily removable making it "semi-auto". The true military grade M-16 is just as durable as the AK but at about 3 times the price.

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I do too, but purely as a marvel of engineering.

 

I think part of my misgivings with the American attitude towards firearms is the refusal to admit that that these are instruments of death. They are not toys to be admired, collected or polished, they have one function; to kill. I think a lot of people seem to forget that.

 

Not at all, anyone that has grown up in the "gun culture" understands what they are for. It's a big reason why we own them.

 

Just like when I was growing up I teach my kids about guns from an early age, you have to with kids in the house. I let them hold the weapon (unloaded and cleared of course) let them feel the weight so they know the difference between a real gun and a toy gun. I explain to them one on one what they are used for, how they are tools and like any tool you use it wrong someone can get hurt or even die.

 

It's the kids not raised by their parents around guns but find them on the streets and play GTA all day that get hurt or use them for crime.

 

I saw it said once, "Kids that Hunt, Trap and Fish don't Bang, Steal and Rape"

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Tread lightly. 

 

I know ... Why do a few people always have to screw up a really good thread? 2nd, why is DF always in the middle of the ruins? :woot:

 

A little less "in your face", and a lot more understanding can go a long way. It is like the NFL ... You can't hit them in the Head, you shouldn't hit them in the Knees ... There is a lot of middle that we can work with.   I like the middle, it is softer, warmer   ... what was the topic again?

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Not at all, anyone that has grown up in the "gun culture" understands what they are for. It's a big reason why we own them.

 

Just like when I was growing up I teach my kids about guns from an early age, you have to with kids in the house. I let them hold the weapon (unloaded and cleared of course) let them feel the weight so they know the difference between a real gun and a toy gun. I explain to them one on one what they are used for, how they are tools and like any tool you use it wrong someone can get hurt or even die.

 

It's the kids not raised by their parents around guns but find them on the streets and play GTA all day that get hurt or use them for crime.

 

I saw it said once, "Kids that Hunt, Trap and Fish don't Bang, Steal and Rape"

Every credible scientific study ever conducted has reached the conclusion that video games do not increase a person's likelihood of committing a crime. Every once in a while there will be a news story about some kid using a gun sometime after playing GTA and they'll always focus on the video game and never on the pressing issue of why a 11 year old had access to a loaded firearm.

 

As for gun culture in the US; for every person that uses there gun wisely there are two that don't. Same with cars or computers or any other household item except this time the item is designed to kill.

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what was the topic again?

America sucks, yay Europe! Or something like that.

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I will amend what I said earlier. While stand your ground is part of the pretrial process, apparently seeking it calls for a special hearing, and by doing so and succeeding, precludes any trial.

 

In short. If someone seeks stand your ground and wins, there is no trial.

 

I said it wrong, but I was still right. Zimmerman was not stand your ground. 3 words of jury instruction don't change law and legal procedure.

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What lies behind us, and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us.







 

You are sooo wrong. If it can't kill, I ain't buying it for protection. Americans know this, even the bad guy Americans know this... That is why bad guys don't hold up a bank with a hotdog, and the good guy doesn't throw a bun, and pack of mustard at then to stop them.

 

 

Good catch (very minimal though), you shall be forgiven for this transgression (this time) ... I got my eye on you though ... Comrade. :pirate:  ... Wait, not that eye, that is my bad eye ... the other eye, my good 1. :pinch:  Not that one either. ... I shall request a new smiley be created to represent the correct eye. Until then, watch your step ... I am on to you.

 

Sammy. Товарищ, у нас есть водка!

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Every credible scientific study ever conducted has reached the conclusion that video games do not increase a person's likelihood of committing a crime. Every once in a while there will be a news story about some kid using a gun sometime after playing GTA and they'll always focus on the video game and never on the pressing issue of why a 11 year old had access to a loaded firearm.

 

As for gun culture in the US; for every person that uses there gun wisely there are two that don't. Same with cars or computers or any other household item except this time the item is designed to kill.

 

I'm not saying the kid is violent because of video games specifically. I'm referring to the gang culture that runs the inner cities, it's everywhere from the music to the movies to the games and if you don't believe all of that influences them I don't know what to say.

 

These same kids over loaded with the gang culture have no clue how to handle a fire arm or respect what its used for. They get mad or want something they can't afford and that's probably a good 75% of your gun crime right there.

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America sucks, yay Europe! Or something like that.

 

I just died inside a little

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I'm not saying the kid is violent because of video games specifically. I'm referring to the gang culture that runs the inner cities, it's everywhere from the music to the movies to the games and if you don't believe all of that influences them I don't know what to say.

 

These same kids over loaded with the gang culture have no clue how to handle a fire arm or respect what its used for. They get mad or want something they can't afford and that's probably a good 75% of your gun crime right there.

Oh, fun times with unsubstantiated claims. The whole collection of music. movies etc. might have an influence I admit, but I think that it's more likely the fact they live in a craphole and they see no other way of making money other than turning to a life of crime from an early age. And once you're in that circuit it becomes the only thing you know how to do and in the end there are essentially only two ways out; get killed or thrown in prison.

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Wrong.

 

It is also part of the pre-trial process. Just as taking an innocent by reason of insanity plea, using a stand your ground defense fundamentally changes parts of a trial.

 

Again, 3 words of jury instruction do not make a law. The case was not stand your ground. Don't take my word for it. Ask any judge or attorney.

 

You win your argument with DF on a technical point. No, it was not a Stand Your Ground case. However, Zimmerman was charged with committing a homicide. To not be guilty, the homicide must either be excusable or justifable. One way it could have been justifiable would have been if it was self defense. In explaining what entailed self defense, the judge included a description of what "stand your ground" means.

 

The just was charged with determining if Zimmerman was guilty or not guilty of murder. To do that, once they established that he had shot Trayvon Martin, they had to determine if they shooting was justified. To do that, they must determine if he acted in self defense. "Stand your ground" is a phrase used to refer to part of the Florida law definition of self defense.

 

So, yes, you are correct in that it was not a Stand Your Ground case, but you are also wrong that it was not included in the jury instructions. There is an entire paragraph, not three words, explaining what it means and how it applied to their deliberations.

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If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
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I just died inside a little

All snarky comments aside, I genuinely enjoyed staying in the US for about a week. But even with that limited experience I'm still sure I wouldn't want to live there. I prefer Europe in practically every way (except gas prices) and it's not just the cheap health care, higher public safety or (mostly) competent public transport.

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As an owner of both I can say they have their perks and faults. The AR platform is a much more versatile weapon, depending on the make it's usually a lighter rifle then the standard AK-47. The AK-47 however is a much more durable weapon, in a life or death situation I'd rather have my AK then my AR but at the range having fun I'll take my AR most of the time.

 

I'm not sure how to discuss this. Inaccurate stamped out sheet metal? We aren't discussing the same weapons from way back when the AK was the more reliable choice, and that has nothing to do with shooting range fun.

 

You can take waayyyy less accurate all day long, as long as you are on the other team.   I know the AK still lives on it's "very" 60ish year old reputation as some superiorly reliable weapon, but its design is just that ...  Old, and cheaply produced. There are countries that you can buy an AK for under $50.00 ... and maybe in some, you could get 2.

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You win your argument with DF on a technical point. No, it was not a Stand Your Ground case. However, Zimmerman was charged with committing a homicide. To not be guilty, the homicide must either be excusable or justifable. One way it could have been justifiable would have been if it was self defense. In explaining what entailed self defense, the judge included a description of what "stand your ground" means.

 

The just was charged with determining if Zimmerman was guilty or not guilty of murder. To do that, once they established that he had shot Trayvon Martin, they had to determine if they shooting was justified. To do that, they must determine if he acted in self defense. "Stand your ground" is a phrase used to refer to part of the Florida law definition of self defense.

 

So, yes, you are correct in that it was not a Stand Your Ground case, but you are also wrong that it was not included in the jury instructions. There is an entire paragraph, not three words, explaining what it means and how it applied to their deliberations.

Say what????

 

It wasn't a stand your ground case, period.

 

DF is wrong, and you are wrong. It was a self defense case, not stand your ground.

 

The people trying to blur these lines are completely uninformed and should know what they are talking about prior to trying to change laws.

 

There is a LOT MORE that I would love to say about this, but it goes outside the lines of what I'm allowed to say.

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What lies behind us, and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us.







 

America sucks, yay Europe! Or something like that.

 

Oh yeah, that one ... I forgot.

 

Do you have any oil? We "WILL" take it from you if you do. Just let us know when you have oil. Otherwise ... bug-off.

 

Do I got that right?

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Sammy. Товарищ, у нас есть водка!

 

You do, and you will clean it up.

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Say what????

 

It wasn't a stand your ground case, period.

 

DF is wrong, and you are wrong. It was a self defense case, not stand your ground.

 

The people trying to blur these lines are completely uninformed and should know what they are talking about prior to trying to change laws.

 

There is a LOT MORE that I would love to say about this, but it goes outside the lines of what I'm allowed to say.

 

Right, and I said it wasn't a Stand Your Ground case. But the description of what entails "stand your ground" is part of how Florida defines self defense, and that was included in the instructions.

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If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
- Bob Marley


 

Oh yeah, that one ... I forgot.

 

Do you have any oil? We "WILL" take it from you if you do. Just let us know when you have oil. Otherwise ... bug-off.

 

Do I got that right?

Well, for starters it should be "Did I get that right?". But no, other than some comparatively miniscule reserves we have no oil. We do have a substantial reserve of natural gas, which is nice.

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You do, and you will clean it up.

 

Товарищ, у нас есть водка  Translated : Comrade, we have vodka!

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All snarky comments aside, I genuinely enjoyed staying in the US for about a week. But even with that limited experience I'm still sure I wouldn't want to live there. I prefer Europe in practically every way (except gas prices) and it's not just the cheap health care, higher public safety or (mostly) competent public transport.

 

Jacksonville is not America. Detroit is America.

 

Besides that, you are not man enough to live in America, you are European ... Not even in the ballpark. :no: It's not our fault.

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