Drifter seems to want us to be a country free of Muslims. That would not have stopped Sandy Hook, Aurora, Columbine, Oklahoma City or plenty of other examples.

 

But, wait! If only the prez would call everything a terrorist attack, our problems would be solved!

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If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
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So basically, your contribution to this discussion is that we should discriminate based solely upon religion, refusing US entry to Muslims and deporting the ones already here?

 

I know the left hates profiling, but when you know there's a predilection toward a certain behavior based on the region someone comes from and their religious preference, is it better to be safe than sorry, or just let them in and hope they like us? 

 

This mindset that profiling is bad is just another example of how political correctness paralyzes national security. 

 

Personally, I'd rather offend someone for profiling than allow someone in because I'm afraid to offend them only to find out later that they went on a shooting rampage and killed 4 Marines, a sailor, and shot another cop in waging their own personal jihad. 

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

I know the left hates profiling, but when you know there's a predilection toward a certain behavior based on the region someone comes from and their religious preference, is it better to be safe than sorry, or just let them in and hope they like us? 

 

This mindset that profiling is bad is just another example of how political correctness paralyzes national security. 

 

Personally, I'd rather offend someone for profiling than allow someone in because I'm afraid to offend them only to find out later that they went on a shooting rampage and killed 4 Marines, a sailor, and shot another cop in waging their own personal jihad. 

 

 

Thank You FBT :thanks:

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I know the left hates profiling, but when you know there's a predilection toward a certain behavior based on the region someone comes from and their religious preference, is it better to be safe than sorry, or just let them in and hope they like us? 

 

This mindset that profiling is bad is just another example of how political correctness paralyzes national security. 

 

Personally, I'd rather offend someone for profiling than allow someone in because I'm afraid to offend them only to find out later that they went on a shooting rampage and killed 4 Marines, a sailor, and shot another cop in waging their own personal jihad. 

 

So, no Muslims admitted to the U.S.? Especially infants.

 

While you're at it, better deport all the Muslims already here, to prevent attacks like the first one at Ft. Hood. As for the one in 2014, better keep out Puerto Ricans.

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If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
- Bob Marley


 

So, no Muslims admitted to the U.S.? Especially infants.


While you're at it, better deport all the Muslims already here, to prevent attacks like the first one at Ft. Hood. As for the one in 2014, better keep out Puerto Ricans.

We should probably deport everyone who owns a Confederate flag, too, because they're clearly all domestic terrorists.

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Humans won't be able to ever solve these problems themselves. It's just the nature of the beast

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127,000 Student Visas Given to Muslim Youth in One Year


That's a lot of potential terrorist. Over 10K from IRAN!


And I Guaran-damn-tee ya's they are not studying Home-Economic


Here are the numbers......

<a class="bbc_url" href='http://reviveusa.com/127000-student-visas-given-to-muslim-youth-in-one-year/'>http://reviveusa.com/127000-student-visas-given-to-muslim-youth-in-one-year/</a>

Does your xenophobia make you feel better about yourself?

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May as well deport poor people as they are more likely to be involved with crime. Also can you deport gun owners? only gun owners can shoot people. 

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Does your xenophobia make you feel better about yourself?

 

Gosh, dem dar big ol wourds sure do make us ol hiks feel dum.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Let me just say I'm not a fan of Franklin Graham, but he makes perfect sense here.........

 

 

“We are under attack by Muslims at home and abroad,”

 

“We should stop all immigration of Muslims to the U.S. until this threat with Islam has been settled.”

 

We barred both Japanese and Germans immigrants during World War II. Since we are at war with radical Islam, it therefore would make no sense for us to keep permitting Muslim immigrants into our country.

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I know the left hates profiling, but when you know there's a predilection toward a certain behavior based on the region someone comes from and their religious preference, is it better to be safe than sorry, or just let them in and hope they like us?


This mindset that profiling is bad is just another example of how political correctness paralyzes national security.


Personally, I'd rather offend someone for profiling than allow someone in because I'm afraid to offend them only to find out later that they went on a shooting rampage and killed 4 Marines, a sailor, and shot another cop in waging their own personal jihad.

Profiling is one thing, we should look closer at student visas from Muslim countries an we should look closer at people going back and forth from the Middle East. But drifter is talking about revoking all middle eastern visas. That's absurd for numerous reasons and would really be counterproductive. Half the problem is the propaganda their feed by their mosque and governments from birth.

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Profiling is one thing, we should look closer at student visas from Muslim countries an we should look closer at people going back and forth from the Middle East. But drifter is talking about revoking all middle eastern visas. That's absurd for numerous reasons and would really be counterproductive. Half the problem is the propaganda their feed by their mosque and governments from birth.

 

Do you think it's possible to reverse the kind of mind warping that's being done to them? The combination of religion, class warfare, and racism that makes up their indoctrination starting basically at birth seems to be pretty difficult to dissuade.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Let me just say I'm not a fan of Franklin Graham, but he makes perfect sense here.........



“We are <a class="bbc_url" href='http://conservativetribune.com/american-muslims-shariah/'>under attack by Muslims</a> at home and abroad,”


“We should stop all immigration of Muslims to the U.S. until this threat with Islam has been settled.”


We barred both Japanese and Germans immigrants during World War II. Since we are at war with <a class="bbc_url" href='http://conservativetribune.com/locations-inside-america-islam/'>radical Islam</a>, it therefore would make no sense for us to keep permitting Muslim immigrants into our country.

We bared immigrants from nations we where at war with and then established camps to round up citizens of those nationalities, it was one the worse abuses of civil liberties in our history. That said your talking about barring a religion? You want to set the precedent the state can outlaw a religion, close the borders to all who profess that faith? No that seems to leave the door open for some pretty dangerous powers.

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We bared immigrants from nations we where at war with and then established camps to round up citizens of those nationalities, it was one the worse abuses of civil liberties in our history. That said your talking about barring a religion? You want to set the precedent the state can outlaw a religion, close the borders to all who profess that faith? No that seems to leave the door open for some pretty dangerous powers.

 

There's a big difference between outlawing a religion vs. barring additional members from entering our country in a time of war. Several people here have taken the comment to the straw man argument that we shouldn't be deporting people. No one here has suggesting deporting people, at least not those who are in the country legally.

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"Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"

No bones about, ISIS is the new NAZI Party

 

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As someone who considers himself a Conservative,  not a Libertarian,   I have some major differences with Rand Paul.   Having said that,  Rand Paul's comments the other day got my attention:

 

 

Report: Rand Paul calls for scrutiny of Muslims

 

 

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/.../30342457/

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As someone who considers himself a Conservative,  not a Libertarian,   I have some major differences with Rand Paul.   Having said that,  Rand Paul's comments the other day got my attention:

 

 

Report: Rand Paul calls for scrutiny of Muslims

 

 

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/.../30342457/

This I'd be fine with. We should be doing a great deal of due diligence on people entering the country anyway, and a Muslim with ties to Iran seeking entrance to the country by way of Canada, or something like that, should be a red flag that merits much deeper investigation than, say, Bob Smith from England should.

 

What I am not in favor of doing is what Drifter wants: a complete ban on Muslims entering the country. True, no foreign national has the "right" to enter America, but if we start excluding an entire group of people based solely upon their religion, it sets a dangerous precedent that could be abused by future leaders, and it's just not the way we as Americans should be doing business.

 

EDIT: I'd also like to point out that Senator Paul said nothing about religion alone being a factor. He focused on country of origin rather than religion specifically, although scrutiny of religion was implied.

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This I'd be fine with. We should be doing a great deal of due diligence on people entering the country anyway, and a Muslim with ties to Iran seeking entrance to the country by way of Canada, or something like that, should be a red flag that merits much deeper investigation than, say, Bob Smith from England should.

 

What I am not in favor of doing is what Drifter wants: a complete ban on Muslims entering the country. True, no foreign national has the "right" to enter America, but if we start excluding an entire group of people based solely upon their religion, it sets a dangerous precedent that could be abused by future leaders, and it's just not the way we as Americans should be doing business.

 

EDIT: I'd also like to point out that Senator Paul said nothing about religion alone being a factor. He focused on country of origin rather than religion specifically, although scrutiny of religion was implied.

 

 

    I'll say this.   If the United States did what Rand Paul is suggesting in this article,   it would very likely save many American lives over the short and long term.

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This I'd be fine with. We should be doing a great deal of due diligence on people entering the country anyway, and a Muslim with ties to Iran seeking entrance to the country by way of Canada, or something like that, should be a red flag that merits much deeper investigation than, say, Bob Smith from England should.

 

What I am not in favor of doing is what Drifter wants: a complete ban on Muslims entering the country. True, no foreign national has the "right" to enter America, but if we start excluding an entire group of people based solely upon their religion, it sets a dangerous precedent that could be abused by future leaders, and it's just not the way we as Americans should be doing business.

 

EDIT: I'd also like to point out that Senator Paul said nothing about religion alone being a factor. He focused on country of origin rather than religion specifically, although scrutiny of religion was implied.

 

Mohammad Youssuf Abdulazeez was here legally, and a naturalized citizen.

 

Nadir Soofi was here legally.

 

Elton Simpson was born in the U.S. and, of course, a citizen.

 

Nidal Halik Hasan was a U.S. citizen and a major in the U.S. Army.

 

Jose Padilla was a U.S. citizen.

 

Terry Lee Loewen was born in the U.S.

 

Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnev were here legally. Dzhokhar was a naturalized citizen, and Tamerian was a permanent resident.

 

My point is many of those committing terrorist acts on U.S. soil appear to have been radicalized either AFTER moving here, or were actually born in the U.S. The notion that we are in grave danger due to our porous borders seems to be an over simplification of the situation.

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If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
- Bob Marley


 

Mohammad Youssuf Abdulazeez was here legally, and a naturalized citizen.


Nadir Soofi was here legally.


Elton Simpson was born in the U.S. and, of course, a citizen.


Nidal Halik Hasan was a U.S. citizen and a major in the U.S. Army.


Jose Padilla was a U.S. citizen.


Terry Lee Loewen was born in the U.S.


Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnev were here legally. Dzhokhar was a naturalized citizen, and Tamerian was a permanent resident.


My point is many of those committing terrorist acts on U.S. soil appear to have been radicalized either AFTER moving here, or were actually born in the U.S. The notion that we are in grave danger due to our porous borders seems to be an over simplification of the situation.

It is a gross oversimplification. That's not to say that reasonable ideas like giving extra scrutiny to people with Iranian ties seeking to enter the US should be discounted. Radical Islam is a problem. It's not the civilization ender that Drifter, D6 and FBT would have you believe, but it is a threat, and if making it harder for people with ties to Iran to get into the country mitigates that threat any, it's an avenue worth pursuing.

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