you didn't bother to answer this part of my post...


"If it's already predetermined, then there is nothing we can do to alter it, so I can quit my job, become a public assistance dependant and ride life out on the system until destiny arrives, rather than work 60 hours a week and decide for myself where and what direction I want to steer my life towards?


Who chooses our destiny? Who said they could do that? What if I don't like my destiny? When does my destiny get determined? How do I know when I have reached my destiny? Have I already reached my destiny?"

The CoC prevents an answer.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

 

 

If it's already predetermined, then there is nothing we can do to alter it, so I can quit my job, become a public assistance dependant and ride life out on the system until destiny arrives,

 

When did destiny become a status that arrives at single specific point in time?  Does your life end at that moment?

 

If your life continues, can it change, thereby giving rise to a another or new destiny?  If so, it is possible to have numerous changing or evolving destinies?

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When you get into the endzone, act like you've been there before.

The CoC prevents an answer.

Agreed. The CoC restricts a definitive answer to these meta-physical questions.

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The CoC prevents an answer.

there is no answer because it's all crap...Life is what you make it to be by choices that you make...The choice of what underware to wear every day isn't part of my destiny, and it's not a pre-determined event either...What I will do today is not predetermined either

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When did destiny become a status that arrives at single specific point in time?  Does your life end at that moment?

 

If your life continues, can it change, thereby giving rise to a another or new destiny?  If so, it is possible to have numerous changing or evolving destinies?

Destiny as I would understand it to be, is to complete what you were born to complete...Such as (for example purposes only even though it's myth) Merlin's destiny was to protect King Aurthur until England was united...Merlin went on to live long after his destiny was fulfilled...I don't so much believe in destiny as I do the fact that I can do certain things to change my life to better my situation, or to make my situation worse...I don't believe that no matter what you do there is a certain fate that you have and you can't change it, nor do I believe everything that happens is a predetermined event, including the decision on what underware I will put on tomorrow morning

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there is no answer because it's all crap...Life is what you make it to be by choices that you make...The choice of what underware to wear every day isn't part of my destiny, and it's not a pre-determined event either...What I will do today is not predetermined either

 

There is an answer that we cannot further discuss here. You are free to believe what you like.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

There is an answer that we cannot further discuss here. You are free to believe what you like.

am I FREE to believe what I like or is it my destiny?

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am I FREE to believe what I like or is it my destiny?

 

However you'd like to perceive that I'm correct is fine with me.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

However you'd like to perceive that I'm correct is fine with me.

well that's not going to happen...I don't believe one aspect of your "everything is predetermined" theory, nor do I believe that there is no such thing as choice because it's all part of destiny, nor do I believe that nothing, including the simple purchase of a soft drink is done on impulse, nor do I believe that one can not steer their life in the direction they want it to go by decisions they make, and actions they perform because your destiny can't be changed....Sorry (not really) but I just can't perceive that you are correct on this topic

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Destiny as I would understand it to be, is to complete what you were born to complete...Such as (for example purposes only even though it's myth) Merlin's destiny was to protect King Aurthur until England was united...Merlin went on to live long after his destiny was fulfilled...I don't so much believe in destiny as I do the fact that I can do certain things to change my life to better my situation, or to make my situation worse...I don't believe that no matter what you do there is a certain fate that you have and you can't change it, nor do I believe everything that happens is a predetermined event, including the decision on what underware I will put on tomorrow morning

If destiny can only be fulfilled upon when one completes the task for which he or she was born, then one cannot be predestined to fail to complete said task (Good news for those holding out hope for Justin Blackmon).  Thus failure becomes a direct result of one's conscious and controllable decisions and actions (Oops, I think I see the problem with Justin now).

 

Good to know you choose your own underwear.  I'm thinking about going without; the unrestricted airflow helps keep everything cool on hot days.

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When you get into the endzone, act like you've been there before.

If destiny can only be fulfilled upon when one completes the task for which he or she was born
, then one cannot be predestined to fail to complete said task (Good news for those holding out hope for Justin Blackmon).  Thus failure becomes a direct result of one's conscious and controllable decisions and actions (Oops, I think I see the problem with Justin now).

 

Good to know you choose your own underwear.  I'm thinking about going without; the unrestricted airflow helps keep everything cool on hot days.

what else would destiny be? I would believe that Fate and Destiny would be the same thing...As I've already said, I don't believe too much in the therory that everything including the choice of what color underware to wear today is destiny or fate which was decided years ago. Which is what I have been arguing all along...One poster is claiming that your conscious and controllable decisions and actions are part of your destiny such as seeing a soft drink in a cooler and thinking "Man I haven't had one of those in a long time, I think I'll get one" and that decision was made years ago

 

As for the wearing of undies, I wear them to work but after that my boys are free...I used to do the commando thing all the time until I ripped my pants at work...

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well that's not going to happen...I don't believe one aspect of your "everything is predetermined" theory, nor do I believe that there is no such thing as choice because it's all part of destiny, nor do I believe that nothing, including the simple purchase of a soft drink is done on impulse, nor do I believe that one can not steer their life in the direction they want it to go by decisions they make, and actions they perform because your destiny can't be changed....Sorry (not really) but I just can't perceive that you are correct on this topic

 

I knew you'd say that, almost like it was predestined.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I knew you'd say that, almost like it was predestined.

It's really not hard to know what I was going to say based on the fact that I have made it quite clear that I disagree with your opinion in it's entirety

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It's really not hard to know what I was going to say based on the fact that I have made it quite clear that I disagree with your opinion in it's entirety

 

It's clear that we were destined to disagree. Perhaps you could alter that by changing your mind (or your underwear), but I don't think you can do it.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

It's clear that we were destined to disagree. Perhaps you could alter that by changing your mind (or your underwear), but I don't think you can do it.

Nope sorry...no can do...I just can't agree with your idealism...You could always change your mind, but I really don't think you are capeable of that...You are pretty narrow minded once you believe you're right, I suppose everyone is though

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Destiny as I would understand it to be, is to complete what you were born to complete...Such as (for example purposes only even though it's myth) Merlin's destiny was to protect King Aurthur until England was united...Merlin went on to live long after his destiny was fulfilled...I don't so much believe in destiny as I do the fact that I can do certain things to change my life to better my situation, or to make my situation worse...I don't believe that no matter what you do there is a certain fate that you have and you can't change it, nor do I believe everything that happens is a predetermined event, including the decision on what underware I will put on tomorrow morning

 

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Nope sorry...no can do...I just can't agree with your idealism...You could always change your mind, but I really don't think you are capeable of that...You are pretty narrow minded once you believe you're right, I suppose everyone is though

 

I'm certainly capable, I just don't want to.

 

I also don't always believe in everything I defend. But that's what makes debate fun, especially with True Believers.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I'm certainly capable, I just don't want to.

 

I also don't always believe in everything I defend. But that's what makes debate fun, especially with True Believers.

so you argue just to argue...gotcha...that explains a lot...I have no reason to change my stance on this issue, especially when I just can't agree with your idealisms

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so you argue just to argue...gotcha...that explains a lot...I have no reason to change my stance on this issue, especially when I just can't agree with your idealisms

 

Of course you can't, you're a True Believer. It's funny that I can argue stances I don't necessarily agree with but doing so gets me called "narrow minded" by people who can't see beyond their own beliefs.   

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Of course you can't, you're a True Believer. It's funny that I can argue stances I don't necessarily agree with but doing so gets me called "narrow minded" by people who can't see beyond their own beliefs.   

and just what is it I'm believing in so strongly that I can't see past? I am open minded to other people's beliefs, but in the the end, just like most everyone else, I have my own personal opnions and beliefs and to those I never waiver...Most everyone else is the same in that regard...I believe what I believe and always stick to what I believe in,even though I can see other people's point(s), understand, and even respect their beliefs, but in the end, I never go against what I believe...You however argue things just for the sake of arguing and can't even bother to try to understand what others believe, and in fact don't even care about others opinions and beliefs, and stick to the vision you have created for yourself just for the sake of argument

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