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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???

Aaron rodgers has said the same if not worse about over inflated balls. Wheres the 7 mill investigation.


When u go out to eat do u tip ur waiter? Is that because u want him to steal an extra steak or to thank him for his service?

 

The only thing Pats fans want to do now is deflect deflect deflect. 

 

I'm sure there will be new, stricter procedures in place and this wont be happening ever again.  So while your boy is the fall person, it is leading to a new procedure.  Congrats on that!

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So how exactly did the Patriots' special preconditioned balls, the ones they'd been using all week, the ones they scuffed up to their liking, the ones they brought to the game properly inflated to 12.5 - 13.5 PSI - how did these get to 16 PSI?  Somebody had to tamper with them. 

 

And how did Tom Brady know they were overinflated?  He testified - UNDER OATH - that he cannot tell the difference.  Not only that, he claims he does not squeeze the footballs, but holds them gently, like a golf club.  We know this is total BS.  He handles the football on every play.  You cannot grip a football without squeezing it.  You cannot throw a football without squeezing it.  Tom Brady is a liar.

 

Tom also testified - UNDER OATH - that he did not know what PSI was until the AFCCG.  Yet he was waving the rule book around in the Jets game several months earlier, making sure the refs knew it was supposed to be 12.5 - 13.5 PSI.  Tom Brady is a liar.

 

Tom Brady said in 2011 that he loves it when Gronk spikes the ball, because "it deflates the ball, and I like a deflated ball."  But Tom, you can't tell the difference, and you don't squeeze footballs anyway.  Yet you lobbied the NFL in 2007 to allow teams to bring broken in footballs to games - WHY?  You can't tell the difference and you don't squeeze footballs anyway, so...?

 

Tom Brady is a liar.

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It's not like it was a single incident. Cheatriots have been intentionally deflating balls to unfair levels for multiple seasons, a decade is a realistic number.

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Yes, everyone knows there isn't a Patriot love fest on their every season.

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The colts did cheat.  They were proven in violation of the same rule that the pats supposedly broke.  Did you hear about it.  wast there a confiscation of peoples private devices?  no.  25k fine.  the vikings and i believe the chargers same thing. 

 

When you say the whole team should sit 16 games that shows that you aren't playing with full objectivity.  That's the equivalent of saying someone should get 5 years in jail for going 66 in a 65 when the speed gun wasn't working in the first place.  

 

Not to mention the fact that to make your argument you just threw aside the entire concept of sexual harassment and treating women with dignity and respect or providing a safe working environment for the what 1500 cheerleaders across the league.  That's not important, its a proposed .5 psi variation that no one can verify because there is absolutely no evidence of what the pre-game PSI was indexed to the surface temperature of the ball.  nice to know where your priorities are.

HAHA... reading comprehension is seriously lacking in today's world.


I didn't say I think the whole team should sit 16 games... I said I'd be OK with it. Why? Because I don't care about their team. Anyone who backs a cheater, is a cheater.

 

You keep skimming the important stuff.

If this was simply about the PSIs the Pats would have just been fined (which I think the orginization was via Kraft?)

This is about Tom Brady putting himself above the rules. Not cooperating with Wells, and obviously covering it up.

 

Like I said... play Devil's advocate if you want... I think you're some Brady/Pats homer just stirring up crap...

 

This is a snowballs effect of decades of the Pats nonsense catching up to them.

 

Hey... don't get too pissy though. They get to keep all those rings they earned.

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This is about Tom Brady putting himself above the rules. Not cooperating with Wells, and obviously covering it up.

 

 

Yea, why wouldn't Tom Brady want all his personal information leaked to the internet.

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Yea, why wouldn't Tom Brady want all his personal information leaked to the internet.

Really?

That's the best argument you got?

A really really famous guy, through his own doing, doesn't want his information to be public?

 

In the TMZ world we live in? Give me a break.

To clear my name as a cheater I'd give the world my social security number.

 

It's not like any real harm will come to the boy wonder.

He's got the money and the people to keep his butt clean.

 

And plenty of sheep baaaaaahcking him up.

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So your argument is that if Tom Brady handed over his phone, Wells would have burned his report and Goddel would have reversed all punishments and issued Tom Brady an apology.

 

btw, I think you cheated too.  Can I have your phone and SSN please?  

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So your argument is that if Tom Brady handed over his phone, Wells would have burned his report and Goddel would have reversed all punishments and issued Tom Brady an apology.

 

btw, I think you cheated too.  Can I have your phone and SSN please?  

 

Actually the investigators were asking for specific text/emails with the equipment/ball guys and other people within the Pats organization.

 

Tom Brady's legal team releasing emails that he thinks Brunell is a Pats hater and that he doesn't want to spend 8500 on a pool cover is meaningless.  How frugal of you Tom.

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Actually the investigators were asking for specific text/emails with the equipment/ball guys and other people within the Pats organization.

 

Tom Brady's legal team releasing emails that he thinks Brunell is a Pats hater and that he doesn't want to spend 8500 on a pool cover is meaningless.  How frugal of you Tom.

 

http://deadspin.com/the-full-story-of-to...1722190784

 

I'm assuming this is the whole story.  According to Wells, they wanted Brady to do specific pretty generic searches, and they wanted texts or whatever from specific people.  Tom Brady was apparently advised to not give up that information and eventually destroyed the phone (which is not as out of the ordinary than people make it to be).  yada yada ya. Eventually Brady was able to get his phone records and was able to prove that the investigators pretty much already had everything they were asking for in the first place from the other phones (Ballboy or whoever's).  

 

I don't care if Brady secretly deflated every football he ever thew, I just think the NFL has to prove someone did what they are punishing them for (and how about actually try to prevent it if it's so important).  Say someone in the future actually is innocent of something.  This is the standard?  If an innocent person wants to keep personal information private he is guilty? And what about the wells report?  "More likely than not" AKA "I really don't know"? This is the NFL standard?  Good thing they can't issue the death penalty.

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http://deadspin.com/the-full-story-of-to...1722190784

 

I'm assuming this is the whole story.  According to Wells, they wanted Brady to do specific pretty generic searches, and they wanted texts or whatever from specific people.  Tom Brady was apparently advised to not give up that information and eventually destroyed the phone (which is not as out of the ordinary than people make it to be).  yada yada ya. Eventually Brady was able to get his phone records and was able to prove that the investigators pretty much already had everything they were asking for in the first place from the other phones (Ballboy or whoever's).  

 

I don't care if Brady secretly deflated every football he ever thew, I just think the NFL has to prove someone did what they are punishing them for (and how about actually try to prevent it if it's so important).  Say someone in the future actually is innocent of something.  This is the standard?  If an innocent person wants to keep personal information private he is guilty? And what about the wells report?  "More likely than not" AKA "I really don't know"? This is the NFL standard?  Good thing they can't issue the death penalty.

 

What standard? Regardless of his text/emails or not they still have the text from the ball/equipment guy.  You don't get the name deflator for nothing.

 

Why did Tom Brady have a phone call with the guy and a private meeting at the practice facility and then tell the investigators that he forgot what they talked about?

 

Why did he say that he destroys his cell phone every 8 months only to destroy this one at 4 months knowing the investigation was coming?  Further to this, why did he have an older cell phone that he didn't destroy?

 

Too many inconsistencies.  With or without that phone, he was done.

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What standard? Regardless of his text/emails or not they still have the text from the ball/equipment guy.  You don't get the name deflator for nothing.

 

Why did Tom Brady have a phone call with the guy and a private meeting at the practice facility and then tell the investigators that he forgot what they talked about?

 

Why did he say that he destroys his cell phone every 8 months only to destroy this one at 4 months knowing the investigation was coming?  Further to this, why did he have an older cell phone that he didn't destroy?

 

Too many inconsistencies.  With or without that phone, he was done.

 

I don't know but I can make up answers.  

 

"Deflator" is just a word, it means just taking air out of the football, but it doesn't mean deflating it to below accepted levels.  I think balls originally come at a PSI higher than 12.5, so if Tommy likes 12.5 they would have to deflate every new ball that comes in.  Hence the word "deflator".  Or you can just go with the ball boy's explanation.  

 

As for the private meeting, maybe he just forgot what they were talking about.

 

As far as destroying his cell phone, maybe he just thought that cell phone had more sensitive information on it than the others.  

 

Or maybe he was conspiring to deflate the footballs.  I don't know.  You can speculate either way.

 

I would agree that there are inconsistencies with Tom Brady's story.  But there a massive gaping holes on the other side.  If Tom Brady admitted to the findings of the Well's report, he doesn't even admit to anything.  He's a free man, because the Wells report doesn't actually accuse anybody of doing anything.  It doesn't even clearly prove that a crime even occurred.

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And the dog ate his home work.  What exactly is Brady hiding?  Why the multiple contacts with McNally after the story broke?  And why did he lie about it?  Because there's no plausible reason for Tom to meet with McNally for 20 minutes in the QB room, or call him for 45 minutes that same day, unless it's to get the story straight.  And it's not plausible that Tom wouldn't remember what they talked about.  And why did the ball boys get fired if this is all a witch hunt by the NFL?  Etc, etc, etc.  Makes you wonder what they're really hiding.  They act like they're guilty of a much more than letting air out of footballs.  

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And the dog ate his home work.  What exactly is Brady hiding?  Why the multiple contacts with McNally after the story broke?  And why did he lie about it?  Because there's no plausible reason for Tom to meet with McNally for 20 minutes in the QB room, or call him for 45 minutes that same day, unless it's to get the story straight.  And it's not plausible that Tom wouldn't remember what they talked about.  And why did the ball boys get fired if this is all a witch hunt by the NFL?  Etc, etc, etc.  Makes you wonder what they're really hiding.  They act like they're guilty of a much more than letting air out of footballs.  

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/roger-goode...1-nfl.html

 

Looks like NFL still trying misrepresent what actually happened ... again.

 

What Brady actually said:

 

"[Jastremski] was the person that prepared the footballs and like I said, the initial report was that none of the Colts' balls were deflated, but the Patriots', all the Patriots' balls were," Brady testified. "So I was trying to figure out what happened. [It] was certainly my concern [to attempt] to figure out, you know, what could be – possibly could have happened to those balls."

 

Correct me if I'm wrong.  But at this point the reports of what the PSI levels were were completely false, so Brady is reacting to a report that has been proven to be completely false.  Here is the rest.

 

<p style="color:rgb(95,95,95);font-family:'Helvetica Neue', HelveticaNeue, helvetica, arial, sans-serif;font-size:15.0000009536743px;">"I don't remember exactly what we discussed," Brady said. "But like I said, there was two things that were happening. One was the allegations which we were facing and the second was getting ready for the Super Bowl, which both of those have never happened before [Jastremski wasn't in charge of the footballs at prior Super Bowls, and there was no scandal brewing]. So me talking to him about those things that were unprecedented, you know, he was the person that I would be communicating with."

<p style="color:rgb(95,95,95);font-family:'Helvetica Neue', HelveticaNeue, helvetica, arial, sans-serif;font-size:15.0000009536743px;">"I don't remember exactly what we talked about," Brady said. "But like I said, there were two things happening simultaneously and I really wanted John focused other than what he needed to get accomplished with the footballs, so I was trying to make sure that he was good and that, you know, he felt responsible for, you know, the attacks. And I was trying to make sure that he was composed so that he could do his job over the course of the next two weeks."

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So in light of information that the Patriots were possibly tampering with footballs, the NFL still ends up with no proof.  They should have had smoking gun evidence if they knew beforehand what would happen (and actually cared).  They got garbage.  Think about that.  They are either extremely incompetent or have a completely different agenda.

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lost in this whole thing is this, is any team supposed to influence the ball in any way......you can't, shouldn't, be able to mess with the ball. Like a basketball rim, or a size of court. The ball is holy and has to be regulation and fair for everyone. Whether the league missed out on a rule or TB and others are taking advantage of an unknown rule that players are trying to exploit....who knows. But if it was a game where we judged on ball speed or distance, like shot put, this variable should be un changeable........because timing and drive and reaction to a football in a place where most throws are within tenths of a second from completion or being broken up, it sounds like a snafu........watch some games, like marino vs. broncos, or marino vs. kc.... where there is a fingernail between completion or a broken up play. The PAT nation will tell you, what advantage does it give you, but i would say 24-55 percent of completions, depending, are razor thin from the opposite result. So if the league does not implement a std. ball, or unalterable psi for everyone, the whole NFL is askew, players and League officials. Goal Posts are not changeable, BB rims are std. etc..... so if someone says, balls are being changed in legal limits, or, thanks for the service to adjust ball, it should not be allowed. even in a legal psi range, let alone an illegal psi range.........i say Marino, whom would never be a ball changer, but to see my point, see a throw vs. KC in fourth quarter, 1990, and a throw in 98 vs. Broncos.... where the ball, delivered perfect and legal, but there is a razor thin line for the oppostie result. You can see on youtube....these 2 throws... so anyone who says, makes no diff.  has never played....you may feel it makes no diff. when you play catch like a loser without playing, but at least a good % of throws, a ball psi can make or break a throw.....try a slant in double coverage, or a ten yard out across your body vs. a 4.25 db.... the NFL and BRADY are both to blame because, like a goal post, or bb rim, or a baseball, etc.... the teams should not be able to adjust the ball, or anyone affiliated with the team. Would you trust an oppossing team with game equipment that can decide a game, no, the league controls the ball just like the size of a hockey net.....fin....if the balls are scientifically static due to temp. or whatever, fine......but the refs should re-stabilize psi, not employees of either team. NFL is worse than BRADY, and BRADY is worse than NFL.......

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So how exactly did the Patriots' special preconditioned balls, the ones they'd been using all week, the ones they scuffed up to their liking, the ones they brought to the game properly inflated to 12.5 - 13.5 PSI - how did these get to 16 PSI?  Somebody had to tamper with them. 

 

And how did Tom Brady know they were overinflated?  He testified - UNDER OATH - that he cannot tell the difference.  Not only that, he claims he does not squeeze the footballs, but holds them gently, like a golf club.  We know this is total [BAD WORD REMOVED].  He handles the football on every play.  You cannot grip a football without squeezing it.  You cannot throw a football without squeezing it.  Tom Brady is a liar.

 

Tom also testified - UNDER OATH - that he did not know what PSI was until the AFCCG.  Yet he was waving the rule book around in the Jets game several months earlier, making sure the refs knew it was supposed to be 12.5 - 13.5 PSI.  Tom Brady is a liar.

 

Tom Brady said in 2011 that he loves it when Gronk spikes the ball, because "it deflates the ball, and I like a deflated ball."  But Tom, you can't tell the difference, and you don't squeeze footballs anyway.  Yet you lobbied the NFL in 2007 to allow teams to bring broken in footballs to games - WHY?  You can't tell the difference and you don't squeeze footballs anyway, so...?

 

Tom Brady is a liar.

 

The refs are responsible for setting the air in the balls.  you hand them to the refs you let them know what you are looking for and its up to them.  In this game they set the balls to 16 psi.  There's no reason for the pats attendants to do that and that's why they used the exact term that the refs BLANKED us.  If they were engaged in a long term scheme of tampering they would have just done something about it.

 

 

And the dog ate his home work.  What exactly is Brady hiding?  Why the multiple contacts with McNally after the story broke?  And why did he lie about it?  Because there's no plausible reason for Tom to meet with McNally for 20 minutes in the QB room, or call him for 45 minutes that same day, unless it's to get the story straight.  And it's not plausible that Tom wouldn't remember what they talked about.  And why did the ball boys get fired if this is all a witch hunt by the NFL?  Etc, etc, etc.  Makes you wonder what they're really hiding.  They act like they're guilty of a much more than letting air out of footballs.  

 

It was Jastremski not Mcnally.  Why do you feel the need to lie? What are you hiding?  empty your pockets.  I want to see your cell phone!

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I don't know but I can make up answers.  

 

"Deflator" is just a word, it means just taking air out of the football, but it doesn't mean deflating it to below accepted levels.  I think balls originally come at a PSI higher than 12.5, so if Tommy likes 12.5 they would have to deflate every new ball that comes in.  Hence the word "deflator".  Or you can just go with the ball boy's explanation.  

 

As for the private meeting, maybe he just forgot what they were talking about.

 

As far as destroying his cell phone, maybe he just thought that cell phone had more sensitive information on it than the others.  

 

Or maybe he was conspiring to deflate the footballs.  I don't know.  You can speculate either way.

 

I would agree that there are inconsistencies with Tom Brady's story.  But there a massive gaping holes on the other side.  If Tom Brady admitted to the findings of the Well's report, he doesn't even admit to anything.  He's a free man, because the Wells report doesn't actually accuse anybody of doing anything.  It doesn't even clearly prove that a crime even occurred.

 

Like Jim Kelly said in an article on ESPN yesterday, if he had nothing to hide why wasn't he 100% forthcoming with everything he knew.

 

If you were being accused of deflating footballs for a competitive advantage and you had a talk with the guy the NFL was accusing of deflating the footballs, you would remember it.  To play dumb was the worst route he could have taken.

 

Lets not act like the Patriots history of cheating didn't have a huge effect on how this ended up either.  Before anyone says well Brady wasn't involved in the other stuff, lets not play stupid again.  If there is a culture of gaining any competitive advantage you can, you are going to do what it takes.  Goodell destroyed the tapes after Spygate to keep the mess as minimal as possible (remember, that's when he was the Pats boy)....if you create a culture of bending the rules, at some point you are going to get caught.

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I'm a bit amazed that this discussion is still going on.

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I'm trying to make myself more informed and less opinionated.

Stop saying whatever stupid thing you're talking about and pay attention to all the interesting things I have to say!