http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/uks...42833.html


Can also save money and get better services with socialism in healthcare...

 

Unbelievable British spin. Older people in Britain are suffering and/or dying from long delays in treatment. Most countries with socialist health care are doing better than Britain.


 

EDIT: and we have a prime example of what socialist health care in the US would look like. It's called the VA.

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"Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"

Unbelievable British spin. Older people in Britain are suffering and/or dying from long delays in treatment. Most countries with socialist health care are doing better than Britain.


 

EDIT: and we have a prime example of what socialist health care in the US would look like. It's called the VA.

 

The seniors in the USA seem to like medicaid OK...  So yeah...  There is that...

 

Canada seems to be OK with their socialized medicine...  Also I've read alot of bunk about how people are dying from long delays in Britain.  I don't live there so I don't know...  But I take those stories with a heavy dose of salt...

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The seniors in the USA seem to like medicaid OK...  So yeah...  There is that...

 

Canada seems to be OK with their socialized medicine...  Also I've read alot of bunk about how people are dying from long delays in Britain.  I don't live there so I don't know...  But I take those stories with a heavy dose of salt...

 

I think you meant Medicare, not Medicaid.  

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The seniors in the USA seem to like medicaid OK...  So yeah...  There is that...

 

Canada seems to be OK with their socialized medicine...  Also I've read alot of bunk about how people are dying from long delays in Britain.  I don't live there so I don't know...  But I take those stories with a heavy dose of salt...

We'll allow it.

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The seniors in the USA seem to like medicaid OK...  So yeah...  There is that...

 

Canada seems to be OK with their socialized medicine...  Also I've read alot of bunk about how people are dying from long delays in Britain.  I don't live there so I don't know...  But I take those stories with a heavy dose of salt...

 

Medicare (not Medicaid) is not socialized medicine, it's health insurance pre-paid by the beneficiaries. Medicaid is health insurance welfare, also not socialized medicine.

 

The US isn't Canada. That's why I used the VA, which is the US socialized medical system. What supposedly has worked so far in Canada (I know of a person who was screwed over by Canadian health care, so at best it's not 100%) clearly didn't work in the US.

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"Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"

Unbelievable British spin. Older people in Britain are suffering and/or dying from long delays in treatment. Most countries with socialist health care are doing better than Britain.


EDIT: and we have a prime example of what socialist health care in the US would look like. It's called the VA.

British spin? Its an American report...


Also life expectancy is higher in Britain...isn't that the ultimate test?

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Medicare (not Medicaid) is not socialized medicine, it's health insurance pre-paid by the beneficiaries. Medicaid is health insurance welfare, also not socialized medicine.

The US isn't Canada. That's why I used the VA, which is the US socialized medical system. What supposedly has worked so far in Canada (I know of a person who was screwed over by Canadian health care, so at best it's not 100%) clearly didn't work in the US.

I've got direct family that's been screwed by Canada's medical system had an uncle almost die waiting for approval for a life saving surgery. Had an aunt that ended up getting a necessary operation here because the wait was over a year in Canada for approval. I known for a long time some of our family wouldn't even bother trying to see a doctor for minor colds you'd either be over it or hospitalized by the time they see you.

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I've got direct family that's been screwed by Canada's medical system had an uncle almost die waiting for approval for a life saving surgery. Had an aunt that ended up getting a necessary operation here because the wait was over a year in Canada for approval. I known for a long time some of our family wouldn't even bother trying to see a doctor for minor colds you'd either be over it or hospitalized by the time they see you.

Where did they live?

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I was wrong about Trent Baalke. 

Where did they live?

New foundland most of them. Some Of them are in Ontario. Some of the problem is the doctors in the more remote areas, you don't have as many doctors up there as we do.

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New foundland most of them. Some Of them are in Ontario. Some of the problem is the doctors in the more remote areas, you don't have as many doctors up there as we do.

Yet again Canadians live longer...

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British spin? Its an American report...


Also life expectancy is higher in Britain...isn't that the ultimate test?

 

It's in a British newspaper.


 

And life expectancy is heavily weighted by infant deaths. The US loses the statistical battle there because we attempt to save every child born, no matter how premature. Most other countries don't count early premature infant deaths in their stats.

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"Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"

It's in a British newspaper.


And life expectancy is heavily weighted by infant deaths. The US loses the statistical battle there because we attempt to save every child born, no matter how premature. Most other countries don't count early premature infant deaths in their stats.

I'll let you know the real reason people live longer in countries with a socialised care system....


People are far more likely to visit the doctor earlier and before symptoms become more severe. Primary care is the most effective way of staying healthy which is where there British nhs excels.

This also saves a lot of money hence why it costs far less than the US system

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I've got direct family that's been screwed by Canada's medical system had an uncle almost die waiting for approval for a life saving surgery. Had an aunt that ended up getting a necessary operation here because the wait was over a year in Canada for approval. I known for a long time some of our family wouldn't even bother trying to see a doctor for minor colds you'd either be over it or hospitalized by the time they see you.

I know many who live there. Most do not complain. Well, they do, like we do, but no one has filed bankruptcy due to medical expenses. Vaccines are free. Hospital stay doesnt break the bank, and crazier..the meds that are developed here, manufactured here are cheaper there. Their waiting time at an emerg is no different than here. Long. Yes, smaller towns have trouble with the amount of doctors, but Bostwick Fl, Ft.White, Melrose, Miconopy...arent loaded down with physicians either. 

I dont have the answer, but for people to go bankrupt or have decide on food or meds is a disgrace. we dont want free healthcare, but you think the guys getting shot almost daily here and needing medical attention are paying their bill?

Its a complicates and sore subject.

Legalize weed. Tax it heavily and put into a healthcare fund? 

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Blakes Life Matters

I'll let you know the real reason people live longer in countries with a socialised care system....


People are far more likely to visit the doctor earlier and before symptoms become more severe. Primary care is the most effective way of staying healthy which is where there British nhs excels.

This also saves a lot of money hence why it costs far less than the US system

Very true. Here for example..a childs well visit isnt covered. But once sick they are. The ounce of prevention vs the pound of cure falls on deaf ears. 

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Blakes Life Matters

Very true. Here for example..a childs well visit isnt covered. But once sick they are. The ounce of prevention vs the pound of cure falls on deaf ears. 

 

However, health insurance is not and should not be for routine care any more than auto insurance should be for an oil change and home owner's insurance shouldn't cover painting your house.

 

A real solution is insurance for catastrophic illness and/or emergencies and a tax free health savings account for routine checkups and non-critical care.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

However, health insurance is not and should not be for routine care any more than auto insurance should be for an oil change and home owner's insurance shouldn't cover painting your house.


A real solution is insurance for catastrophic illness and/or emergencies and a tax free health savings account for routine checkups and non-critical care.

Welp. Routine care may be more cost effective than, for lack of a better example, fencing the ranch after the cows ran off.


If auto insurance gave a little discount when routine maintenance was done..brakes, alignments,and check ups perhaps people would do that and eventually have a safer vehicle on the road. But,that'll never happen.

Same as an individual. Pay for maintenance on your vehicle..or save the money and pay out the nose when you need a whole new brake job vs getting them adjusted,turned,etc.

But I digress. People will spend the money on a detail and shine over an oil change.

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Blakes Life Matters

A very good example of what I'm talking about is to go to a doctor, dentist, etc. for a "routine" checkup.  See what the difference in price is between what they charge an insurance company vs. what they would charge you if you were paying in cash.

 

Part of the high costs of health care is directly related to bureaucracy more than anything else.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

That's an awful example...

A state has way more buying power than an individual or an insurance company.


Australia has a big private and public sector but our insurance is also cheaper as it has to compete with the public system well or nobody would bother with insurance.

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Very true. Here for example..a childs well visit isnt covered. But once sick they are. The ounce of prevention vs the pound of cure falls on deaf ears.

Where are you that they aren't covered?

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Where are you that they aren't covered?

Mine wasn't.

 

My son lost 3 pounds between 6-month visits, and I had to foot the whole bill of a "wellness" visit to follow up.  My very good California-based insurance company did not pay.

 

And since this morphed into a healthcare thread, I am always surprised when the conservatives defend the American system.  Nothing ticks off my conservative relatives more than the feeling they're not getting what they paid for.  Twice as expensive as the nearest competitor gives us a life expectancy on a par with Costa Rica and behind Slovenia.

 

WE'RE 34!  WE'RE 34!

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