Can we stop calling him a rookie?  He's going into his 3rd year.  He has missed some time and had some coaching issues, but seriously....he's not a rookie.  By that logic, Blaine Gabbert is a rookie because he never had any stable coaching.  Sometimes we just need to see production.  Hopefully we'll see that this year.  If this year is like last year, there's really no more excuses.  Put up or shut up.  Hoping we see what Caldwell and all of the pundits saw when he was drafted. 

 

I would say he is almost a rookie, due to the fact that in his actual rookie year, he played 4 games at RT and one quarter at LT before being lost for the season.   That gives him just 16-1/4 games at LT.  

 

Definitely, his improvement is one of the keys to our season.   If he doesn't improve, we will not win 8 games.   After all, Bortles is almost a rookie, too, and he has enough to deal with without getting constant pressure from his left. 

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They have a name for "almost rookie".  It's called 2nd year players.

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One of these years.............

They have a name for "almost rookie".  It's called 2nd year players.

 

What do they call guys who are almost 2nd year players?

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Was this just a miss by Caldwell? Is the NFL too much for Joeckel? Eric Fisher too?

 

Unfortunately looks like it so far.  Caldwell has gotten better as a GM over his time with the Jags.

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Unfortunately looks like it so far.  Caldwell has gotten better as a GM over his time with the Jags.

 

What.

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Was this just a miss by Caldwell? Is the NFL too much for Joeckel? Eric Fisher too?

Can't really call it a miss yet.

 

But in that draft, it was much easier to miss than hit. No matter where you were picking.

You can hindsight it all you want and pick the 3 or 4 really good players from round 1 that went later... 

 

But why harp on it. He's hit so well on other picks, I think we can let it slide that the "athletic" LT can't bulk up enough to power through.

I would avoid drafting LTs from spread offenses.

No other pick, at that time, was head and shoulders a better choice.

 

 

Stick to the Big Ten schools for those nasty Oline guys.

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What.

 

Unfortunately, it looks like Caldwell missed on Joeckel (he doesn't look good...yet).  Caldwell has drafted better over the past 2 years as a GM (i.e. his first draft wasn't that good but he's gotten better at drafting).

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Not all draft pools are equal, either.

 

You can only choose from what you have to choose.

 

That being said... we've got a younger version of the guy he replaced.  His strengths and weaknesses, and inconsistency mirrors the same criticisms of the guy he replaced.  All things considered, still a necessary (and unfortunately up to now) merely adequate pick.  But the same way the guy he replaced seems to have continued to grow, so can Joeckel.  Like with Gus at HC, this season should solidify opinions on what direction both are taking long term.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

He has + athleticism, but is a little strength deficient.


If you're going to need to fix a part of your game, that's probably the easiest part.

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Not all draft pools are equal, either.

 

You can only choose from what you have to choose.

 

That being said... we've got a younger version of the guy he replaced.  His strengths and weaknesses, and inconsistency mirrors the same criticisms of the guy he replaced.  All things considered, still a necessary (and unfortunately up to now) merely adequate pick.  But the same way the guy he replaced seems to have continued to grow, so can Joeckel.  Like with Gus at HC, this season should solidify opinions on what direction both are taking long term.

And by the time that guy had gotten it all together, we traded him and replaced him with a young guy.

 

Which many people will try to spin into a negative. But to be real, had Monroe stayed, by the time the rest of the offense caught up to him, he's on contract 2, probably wanting a 3rd soon, and leaving us with cap troubles.

 

It was ballsy of Dave... and Luke may not turn out, but he recognized the cheaper and smarter route.

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Joeckel is not nearly as good (so far) as Monroe entering the league. Sorry.

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And by the time that guy had gotten it all together, we traded him and replaced him with a young guy.


Which many people will try to spin into a negative. But to be real, had Monroe stayed, by the time the rest of the offense caught up to him, he's on contract 2, probably wanting a 3rd soon, and leaving us with cap troubles.


It was ballsy of Dave... and Luke may not turn out, but he recognized the cheaper and smarter route.

Cap troubles? Seems unlikely

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If you have 20 starts you are not almost a rookie. Dumbest thing i have ever read.

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Joeckel is not nearly as good (so far) as Monroe entering the league. Sorry.

 

LOL... obviously you don't remember the talk about Monroe at the same point in his career.

 

It was the same.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

LOL... obviously you don't remember the talk about Monroe at the same point in his career.


It was the same.

LOL the talk...I remember the talk being Monroe making mistakes, though not nearly as often as Joeckel. The main difference is that Monroe's physical talent was never in question like Luke. Monroe also flashed way more talent than Luke his first few years (stonewalling Freeney in the 2nd meeting). To be fair, Luke's rookie year was a complete wash as we all know.

Nobody is writing the guy off completely, at least I am not. But excuse me for being concerned that year 3 is coming up and we still see Luke getting walked back like he was on skates or lunging and whiffing on the speed rush. Like everybody else, I just want this friggin team to be good for once!!!!

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Blake Bortles......YOU'RE FIRED!
Dave Caldwell.....YOU'RE FIRED!

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Make the Jags Great Again
Blake Bortles......YOU'RE FIRED!
Dave Caldwell.....YOU'RE FIRED!

LOL... obviously you don't remember the talk about Monroe at the same point in his career.

 

It was the same.

 

True.


 

And yet Monroe was still better than Joeckel his first two years.


 

We all hope that by adding strength and experience that Joeckel  becomes a solid fixture at LT. So far all the evidence is negative. Forget Boselli, he was outplayed in his first two years by Monroe, Barnes, and even Pearson.


 

Maybe tonight we'll see a much improved Joeckel. I sure hope so; help is not on the way.

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"Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"

It wasn't the same.

Monroe entering his 3rd year didn't have the question marks Luke does.


We at least knew he was solid, with the ability to be very good at times.

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It wasn't the same.

Monroe entering his 3rd year didn't have the question marks Luke does.


We at least knew he was solid, with the ability to be very good at times.

We did?  As I recall it, there were plenty of folks on this board calling for him to be replaced going into year 3.  The same people who wanted him replaced howled when he was traded.   At that point, he suddenly became this all pro LT who was going to be a huge loss.  Monroe was underwhelming as a starter.  We'll see if Joeckel follows the same trajectory, or if things start to click for him in year 3, but let's not try to romanticize what people thought of his predecessor. 

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

We did?  As I recall it, there were plenty of folks on this board calling for him to be replaced going into year 3.  The same people who wanted him replaced howled when he was traded.   At that point, he suddenly became this all pro LT who was going to be a huge loss.  Monroe was underwhelming as a starter.  We'll see if Joeckel follows the same trajectory, or if things start to click for him in year 3, but let's not try to romanticize what people thought of his predecessor. 

 

You are correct. I would say at this point Monroe was probably a better player. But he had his question marks too.

 

And he has been underwhelming in Baltimore as well.

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