The reason I bring this up is not to suggest Bortles is as good or is going to be as good as Rodgers, but to point out something interesting to me and what I've noticed. When I was going back and watching the preseason games of the past week, I noticed that Bortles's new release looks very similar to Rodgers's. I watched them both play back to back and it's nearly identical. Bortles has refined his release to be more compact like Wilson's and Rodgers's and I love it. Also, in terms of the type of QB Blake is, a lot of people compare him to Roethlisberger and I don't really agree with it, especially now that Blake has slimmed down. They looked at his size and mobility at his size and thought of Big Ben but that's sort of a narrow way to look at it. Ben isn't as fast or agile as Blake, but he is bigger and more dexterous and able to shake off tackles and maintain his balance. Both Ben and Blake can do a little bit of what the other can do but not as well. In terms of Blake's playing style and athletic ability I'd compare him more to a taller Rodgers than anyone else especially, again, now that he is slimmed down. He has the athleticism to move around in and out of the pocket very well and is fast enough to pick up yards, but isn't a speed demon he's just a smart runner. That's also how I would describe Rodgers. In terms of combining Blake's entire combination of athletic ability, arm strength, and his new release, I'd say Rodgers's is the closest comparison in the league.

 

Again, I AM NOT SAYING BLAKE IS AS GOOD OR WILL BE AS GOOD AS RODGERS. Not trying to suggest that at all. All I'm saying is that Blake's base traits best resemble Rodgers if you were to compare those aspects to a starting QB in the league today. The thing that sets Rodgers and Bortles a part right now is the most important aspect of being a QB, and it's their mind. Rodgers dissects a defense at an elite level like all the best QBs and he makes it look easy. Bortles is not near that right now. I'd also say the second thing that separates them is Rodgers's consistent precise accuracy on his ball placement. I rarely see Rodgers not put the ball in the perfect place for his receivers. Blake has flashed that but he is not as consistent with it. I will say though, that whenever his mechanics have been right (using his entire body to throw the ball, feet aligned correctly, nice tight release) his ball placement has been pretty immaculate. It makes me think that as he continues to refine his mechanics his ball placement and accuracy will only continue to get better, similar to Rodgers. The really encouraging thing is that all those negatives come with experience. 

 

Another comparison I'd point out with Blake and Rodgers, and this is something that all of the great QBs share, is Bortles's pocket presence. We've all seen Bortles just feel pressure and step up in the pocket to avoid it without taking his eyes from down field. This pocket awareness is as important as anything in whether a QB will be any good, and Bortles has it. As he plays more it will only get better (as long as he isn't killed with sacks again). So yeah, in terms of the full package of what Bortles can do physically and with his pocket awareness, I'd say his closest comparison is Rodgers contrary to popular belief. He is not there mentally, but starting out with a skill set similar to the GOAT isn't a bad place to start. Lets see if he can take a step forward looking more comfortable running an offense and recognizing defenses this year. If Bortles's mind can catch up to his physical abilities, we will have a very good QB on our hands. Coming out of college Rodgers wasn't there either. 

 

Honestly, from everything I've seen, the only way I can see Bortles busting is if he eats 55+ sacks again this season and we can't run the ball. If our line and running game can be even average this season I will be happy because it will give Bortles a chance to develop. He didn't even have a fair shot last year at all.

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Ill be honest, I think the dead arm excuse was actually not an excuse but rather the main reason Bortles struggled. As such, I think we will see a bigger jump than we think.

 

2014 preseason vs. 2014 season difference in mechanics, poise, etc. was just absolutely Night and day. So far, Ive seen everything I saw in the 2014 preseason from bortles but more refined. I too scoffed at the thought of bortles having a "dead/fatigued arm" but all evidence points to it being quite true. His balls loafed hard at the end of the season. Not so much in 2014 preseason and def. not now.

 

On a side note: Good QBs do pretty decently even with absolute trash on the O-line. Obviously no championship possible but Good QBs simply rise above it to squeek out a few victories. Big Ben, Peyton Manning, and Tom brady have all demonstrated this.

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Can't wait to see whats next. 

what happened did he get burned on a long td again? 

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what happened did he get burned on a long td again? 

Apparently was trying something different on that play and Bryant completely burned him for it. I'm not sure what it was, it may have been him playing press and trying to jam him a different way. Gus was talking about it in a press conference, but we'll never know exactly why he sucked on that play.

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I can see that the third and long strike to AroB looked very Arod like.  Taller Arod, Mini Roethlisberger is a pretty good blend of what I'd consider the perfect qb.  Gotta hand it to Dave on this one.  


I was in CT watching a deceased relatives house from 2012-14 and managed to catch the Louisville vs UCF game at the gym because I wanted to see the drafts best QB and if my team was going to make a mistake by drafting him.  Then somewhere around the 3rd quarter I remember telling someone that UCF kid was pretty good.  Wasn't till draft coverage started I learned his name.  Looking back seems like fate I saw that game I've never been a college football fan and hardly watch it.

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2016 draft players I think will be good

• On the Fournette train, will be best back of his class 3/6/17
  
• Lattimore please,  Lockdowns on both sides would be nice
  
• Engram at TE and the MJD clone Samaje Perine
  

Ill be honest, I think the dead arm excuse was actually not an excuse but rather the main reason Bortles struggled. As such, I think we will see a bigger jump than we think.

 

Going back and watching some of the games late last season it's clear he was pushing the ball more then throwing it, which is a sign his arm was dead.

 

In an interview, Bortles said one of the things Tom House taught him was how to properly warm up.  Bortles never knew how to do that and said that contributed to his arm fatiguing last season and the warm up process makes a huge difference.

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Let's hope a fraction of this pans out.  I will give credit to Greg's offensive system.  Bortles was working through progressions and staying nimble in the pocket.  Let's hope he can build on it.

 

Honestly it sure looks like we had rookie wall meets awful offensive coordinator last year.  Sprinkle in rookies everywhere and the team was that team.

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Can't believe someone didn't already copy the entire original post just to respond with a 1-line comment.....

 

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you gotta quote the post

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"A man with no sauce is lost.

<p style="text-align:center;">But that same man can get lost in the sauce."

Bortles is going to do work if we can keep him upright. Protection doesn't have to be perfect but we need to give him time and big plays will happen sooner or later. It's just a question of how good are the pieces around him now?

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No pain, no gain.

The reason I bring this up is not to suggest Bortles is as good or is going to be as good as Rodgers, but to point out something interesting to me and what I've noticed. When I was going back and watching the preseason games of the past week, I noticed that Bortles's new release looks very similar to Rodgers's. I watched them both play back to back and it's nearly identical. Bortles has refined his release to be more compact like Wilson's and Rodgers's and I love it. Also, in terms of the type of QB Blake is, a lot of people compare him to Roethlisberger and I don't really agree with it, especially now that Blake has slimmed down. They looked at his size and mobility at his size and thought of Big Ben but that's sort of a narrow way to look at it. Ben isn't as fast or agile as Blake, but he is bigger and more dexterous and able to shake off tackles and maintain his balance. Both Ben and Blake can do a little bit of what the other can do but not as well. In terms of Blake's playing style and athletic ability I'd compare him more to a taller Rodgers than anyone else especially, again, now that he is slimmed down. He has the athleticism to move around in and out of the pocket very well and is fast enough to pick up yards, but isn't a speed demon he's just a smart runner. That's also how I would describe Rodgers. In terms of combining Blake's entire combination of athletic ability, arm strength, and his new release, I'd say Rodgers's is the closest comparison in the league.

 

Again, I AM NOT SAYING BLAKE IS AS GOOD OR WILL BE AS GOOD AS RODGERS. Not trying to suggest that at all. All I'm saying is that Blake's base traits best resemble Rodgers if you were to compare those aspects to a starting QB in the league today. The thing that sets Rodgers and Bortles a part right now is the most important aspect of being a QB, and it's their mind. Rodgers dissects a defense at an elite level like all the best QBs and he makes it look easy. Bortles is not near that right now. I'd also say the second thing that separates them is Rodgers's consistent precise accuracy on his ball placement. I rarely see Rodgers not put the ball in the perfect place for his receivers. Blake has flashed that but he is not as consistent with it. I will say though, that whenever his mechanics have been right (using his entire body to throw the ball, feet aligned correctly, nice tight release) his ball placement has been pretty immaculate. It makes me think that as he continues to refine his mechanics his ball placement and accuracy will only continue to get better, similar to Rodgers. The really encouraging thing is that all those negatives come with experience. 

 

Another comparison I'd point out with Blake and Rodgers, and this is something that all of the great QBs share, is Bortles's pocket presence. We've all seen Bortles just feel pressure and step up in the pocket to avoid it without taking his eyes from down field. This pocket awareness is as important as anything in whether a QB will be any good, and Bortles has it. As he plays more it will only get better (as long as he isn't killed with sacks again). So yeah, in terms of the full package of what Bortles can do physically and with his pocket awareness, I'd say his closest comparison is Rodgers contrary to popular belief. He is not there mentally, but starting out with a skill set similar to the GOAT isn't a bad place to start. Lets see if he can take a step forward looking more comfortable running an offense and recognizing defenses this year. If Bortles's mind can catch up to his physical abilities, we will have a very good QB on our hands. Coming out of college Rodgers wasn't there either. 

 

Honestly, from everything I've seen, the only way I can see Bortles busting is if he eats 55+ sacks again this season and we can't run the ball. If our line and running game can be even average this season I will be happy because it will give Bortles a chance to develop. He didn't even have a fair shot last year at all.

Nice write up! 

 

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Good take.  No need to constantly apologize when you have a good take.  Could have saved a few lines.  :teehee:

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Anybody have a link to this House quote?

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Anybody have a link to this House quote?

Perhaps the highest praise Bortles got in the past few days however is from current teammate <a class="" href='http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/130911/davon-house'>Davon House</a>, who said he's doing some <a class="" href='http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/1977/aaron-rodgers'>Aaron Rodgers</a> type things in practice when he was on Sirius NFL Radio Monday afternoon.

http://www.bigcatcountry.com/2015/8/18/9...-teammates

 

Best I could find via Google search. I guess you would have had to heard the SIrius show

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Anybody have a link to this House quote?

There's a link in the "Bortles Progression" thread that has it I believe.

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Thanks, fellas.

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Every QB is a superstar in practice.

Bro, your "I hate Bortlws" shtick is getting old. At least have better takes if you're going to use Majin Vegeta as your avatar.

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Bro, your "I hate Bortlws" shtick is getting old. At least have better takes if you're going to use Majin Vegeta as your avatar.

I want Majin Vegeta to play safety

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