Nobody is disputing about Brady cheating, the judge ruled correctly in regards to the process of how the punishment was administered which was unfair.

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Whether someone has a liberal, or conservative viewpoint, a authoritative figure should not lock a thread for the sole purpose to get the last word in all the while prohibiting someone else from being able to respond.

In my opinion, the ruling is correct in the court of law.

I am not saying Brady is an angel or isn't guilty.

 

I am saying that the NFL's decision to suspend Brady for 4 games was made without an appropriate amount of evidence.

The NFL's claim was that Brady had "general awareness" of the situation and impeded the investigation.

 

3 Major points:

1) The NFL claimed what the Patriots/Brady "allegedly" did was similar to the use of steroids, and Brady should be punished similarly. The Judge did not see the connection and rightfully so.

2) A handful of years ago Brett Farve impeded and investigation when the story of the "naked" pictures were leaked (D-word). Favre did not comply fully with the investigation and was fined $50,000. NO SUSPENSION. This would have been a more accurate discipline.

3) Information about the acts and discipline for deflating footballs/tampering with equipment are found in a game-day manual according to Troy Vincent. This manual is passed out to each teams executives, GM's and operators. NOT PLAYERS.

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Seems to me there was an intention to cheat, and Brady was in on it. Also seems to me that it is not unheard of to get an edge in ways like this. While I feel that they were cutting corners, I also think that the actions by Goodell were really bad, and shouldn't really have been accepted in the CBA. I think the judge acknowledged that the NFL needs to clean things up and get a better process. I don't really have a problem with reining in that kind of nonsense.

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<p class="bbc_left">Education is the cheap defense of nations. - Edmund Burke

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<p class="bbc_left">Or is it from Burke? I tried finding the source, and looked through some of his writings, no luck. Anybody with google-fu got a citation of the source?

Big time difference between:

1. intentionally trying to injure players (potentially causing career ending injuries or life-long health problems)


2. Footballs .5psi out of spec (allegedly,,never proven)


Big time difference

Actually bountygate was all about the money. The Saints didn't cause more injuries than other teams that year, and you can't really prove they had intent to injure players.  And Sean Payton wasn't proven to be involved.  

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I was wrong about Trent Baalke. 

Anyone who doesn't believe he knowingly cheated is delusional. The evidence, hard or circumstantial, is overwhelming. I never doubted we would face him week 3 though. If any good comes from this turd parade, I am hopeful this creates a domino effect of frustration with Goodell among owners (who shelled out millions to punish a team which has a history of rule bending) which ultimately leads to his removal.

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Only a chump boos the home team!

This actually proves my point.


Ever since the CBA was signed, the players union has brought almost every suspension it seems to court. Why sign the dang agreement then renege immediately. You can debate the fairness all you want but it's to the point where Goodell is basically a powerless figurehead when it comes to player discipline. They don't want any consequences for their actions, yet people complain of player conduct hurting the leagues image. Well you can't have it both ways

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This actually proves my point.


Ever since the CBA was signed, the players union has brought almost every suspension it seems to court. Why sign the dang agreement then renege immediately. You can debate the fairness all you want but it's to the point where Goodell is basically a powerless figurehead when it comes to player discipline. They don't want any consequences for their actions, yet people complain of player conduct hurting the leagues image. Well you can't have it both ways

It seems pretty simple to me. Yeah, the NFLPA signed the CBA, and in my mind left it way too vague. However, the NFL has done a terrible job of adhering to both the 'law of the shop' and the 'fair and consistent' parts of general collective bargaining guidelines. Seems to me you can have it both ways by doing a better job of setting consistent standards for conduct, communicating them clearly, and enforcing them in a less arbitrary manner.  I just hope the NFL sucks it up,cleans up their act,  and doesn't appeal this. 

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<p class="bbc_left">Education is the cheap defense of nations. - Edmund Burke

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<p class="bbc_left">Or is it from Burke? I tried finding the source, and looked through some of his writings, no luck. Anybody with google-fu got a citation of the source?

Just had to pop in and say how I'm not surprised at all. Otherwise continue on.

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:thanks: Extra Life 2016 is 11/05/16 :thanks:

It seems pretty simple to me. Yeah, the NFLPA signed the CBA, and in my mind left it way too vague. However, the NFL has done a terrible job of adhering to both the 'law of the shop' and the 'fair and consistent' parts of general collective bargaining guidelines. Seems to me you can have it both ways by doing a better job of setting consistent standards for conduct, communicating them clearly, and enforcing them in a less arbitrary manner.  I just hope the NFL sucks it up,cleans up their act,  and doesn't appeal this. 

 

Well said. This wasn't about if Brady cheated; it's about a process (or lack thereof). Once the NFL establishes clear and consistent guidelines the courts will start backing the NFL.

 

And don't expect the owners to be too mad with Goodell. His job is to have people mad at him rather than taking it out on people like Shad Khan.

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The sun's not yellow, it's chicken.

Sure, the NFL bungled the investigation.  But they bungled the investigation into bountygate too, and Sean Payton got suspended for a year because "ignorance is not an excuse".

 

Head coaches are responsible for everything done by the team, players are not.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Head coaches are responsible for everything done by the team, players are not.

 

OK, so Belicheat should have been suspended for 4 games?  LOL

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Well, now I think 2-2 to start the season is the best we can hope for...

 

Still think the panthers and phish are winnable games

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http://deadspin.com/this-is-roger-goodel...socialflow

 

<p style="margin-left:40px;">"It’s fitting that Roger Goodell’s biggest failure, the one that could well end up permanently lessening the considerable power he and NFL owners have traditionally held over the NFLPA, was born out of the stupidest scandal in the history of the NFL, and perhaps all of sports. This is precisely the kind of defeat that someone as impotent and hollow-headed as Goodell deserves."

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

Dude, just because Goodell is a moron doesn't mean that cheating not be prosecuted.

 

They fired 2 of their employees.  It's evident they cheated...  I get it, Goodell is a total bag of feminine hygiene products.  But Brady clearly forced the hands of patriot ball boys to tamper with footballs.

 

You can hate both and still have justice, in my book...

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Its the QB stupid!

Anyone who doesn't believe he knowingly cheated is delusional. The evidence, hard or circumstantial, is overwhelming. I never doubted we would face him week 3 though. If any good comes from this turd parade, I am hopeful this creates a domino effect of frustration with Goodell among owners (who shelled out millions to punish a team which has a history of rule bending) which ultimately leads to his removal.

This exactly.

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OK, so Belicheat should have been suspended for 4 games?  LOL

 

Really that would've been more appropriate if they'd proved any cheating actually occured.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Really that would've been more appropriate if they'd proved any cheating actually occured.

 

There was enough cheating to FIRE TWO PATRIOT EMPLOYEES THAT HANDLE FOOTBALLS....

 

 

But whatever.  I'm over it.  Cheaters gonna cheat...

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Dude, just because Goodell is a moron doesn't mean that cheating not be prosecuted.

 

They fired 2 of their employees.  It's evident they cheated...  I get it, Goodell is a total bag of feminine hygiene products.  But Brady clearly forced the hands of patriot ball boys to tamper with footballs.

 

You can hate both and still have justice, in my book...

 

The punishment for supposed tampering is a fine.  The team was fined.  That was the proper scope of the punishment.

 

The truth is, there was no proof of Brady's involvement as a result of the investigation, no matter what you believe his involvement was.  Facts are facts.

 

That's what made the conclusion of Wells so laughable.  He didn't prove involvement, but stated so anyway.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

Really that would've been more appropriate if they'd proved any cheating actually occured.

What do you mean by that? Prove it in a court of law? What are you trying to say? Do you honesty think Brady isn't culpable?

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