The real thing to remember here is the Colts lost another battle against the Patriots. For me that's like an extra pre-season win.

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What do you mean by that? Prove it in a court of law? What are you trying to say? Do you honesty think Brady isn't culpable?

 

Truth is, it hasn't been proven that he was.  Why does that anger some folks?

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

The punishment for supposed tampering is a fine.  The team was fined.  That was the proper scope of the punishment.

 

The truth is, there was no proof of Brady's involvement as a result of the investigation, no matter what you believe his involvement was.  Facts are facts.

 

That's what made the conclusion of Wells so laughable.  He didn't prove involvement, but stated so anyway.

This exactly. I am not sure people are understanding the main point. The argument was never about if he did it. 

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The punishment for supposed tampering is a fine.  The team was fined.  That was the proper scope of the punishment.

 

The truth is, there was no proof of Brady's involvement as a result of the investigation, no matter what you believe his involvement was.  Facts are facts.

 

That's what made the conclusion of Wells so laughable.  He didn't prove involvement, but stated so anyway.

 

At the end of the day, it's clear there is no "smoking gun" that links it to Brady.  But this is not a criminal trial.  "Beyond a reasonable doubt" is not nessary here...  

 

But we know where each other stands.  

 

I respect your perspective on this.  I just disagree with the outcome here.  In my mind it's clear.  But your point is true.  There is no smoking gun.

 

But I'm telling you, I can't stand the fact that the Patriots have dodged yet another bullet.

 

As for Goodell, it's clear he bungled this entire thing.  It's a total cluster job, and lets face it...  EVERYONE loses.  

 

Loser---Patriot reputation

Loser---Brady's reputation

Loser---NFL Reputation

Loser---Goodell's reputation...

 

I mean, seriously, nobody comes out of this looking good.  Nobody.

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At the end of the day, it's clear there is no "smoking gun" that links it to Brady.  But this is not a criminal trial.  "Beyond a reasonable doubt" is not nessary here...  

 

But we know where each other stands.  

 

I respect your perspective on this.  I just disagree with the outcome here.  In my mind it's clear.  But your point is true.  There is no smoking gun.

 

But I'm telling you, I can't stand the fact that the Patriots have dodged yet another bullet.

 

As for Goodell, it's clear he bungled this entire thing.  It's a total cluster job, and lets face it...  EVERYONE loses.  

 

Loser---Patriot reputation

Loser---Brady's reputation

Loser---NFL Reputation

Loser---Goodell's reputation...

 

I mean, seriously, nobody comes out of this looking good.  Nobody.

 

Exactly.

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If you think I offended you, don't worry, I meant to. #facts 
  
#iamlegend

At the end of the day, it's clear there is no "smoking gun" that links it to Brady.  But this is not a criminal trial.  "Beyond a reasonable doubt" is not nessary here...  

 

But we know where each other stands.  

 

I respect your perspective on this.  I just disagree with the outcome here.  In my mind it's clear.  But your point is true.  There is no smoking gun.

 

But I'm telling you, I can't stand the fact that the Patriots have dodged yet another bullet.

 

As for Goodell, it's clear he bungled this entire thing.  It's a total cluster job, and lets face it...  EVERYONE loses.  

 

Loser---Patriot reputation

Loser---Brady's reputation

Loser---NFL Reputation

Loser---Goodell's reputation...

 

I mean, seriously, nobody comes out of this looking good.  Nobody.

 

Tom Brady looks fine. Top 3 QB of all time. This will be nothing but a small blemish on his record.

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While I disagree with the judges ruling... I'm not going to go on and on about it anymore.

The team that has been known as the Cheatriots for a very long time has had 3 constants, Kraft, Belichick, and Brady.

Tapes, balls, injury reports, reporting-not-reporting linemen eligible....

 

whatever....

 

CBA is written to give Goodell the power that has been fought every time he's used it for conduct.

 

but whatever.

 

Pats win, again.

Crown em already.

 

/thread

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Haha I love it 

 

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Brady does not have the respect of his peers. That by itself is enough for me. His own team mates frequently leave him hanging on high fives. I hope we have developed a pass rush by the time we play that cheating clown. Nothing better than seeing Brady getting up off the ground with that pouty frown across his smug face begging the refs for the flag because someones frigging finger touched his helmet.

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Looking to troll? Don't bother, we supply our own.

 

 

At the end of the day, it's clear there is no "smoking gun" that links it to Brady.  But this is not a criminal trial.  "Beyond a reasonable doubt" is not nessary here...  

 

But we know where each other stands.  

 

I respect your perspective on this.  I just disagree with the outcome here.  In my mind it's clear.  But your point is true.  There is no smoking gun.

 

But I'm telling you, I can't stand the fact that the Patriots have dodged yet another bullet.

 

As for Goodell, it's clear he bungled this entire thing.  It's a total cluster job, and lets face it...  EVERYONE loses.  

 

Loser---Patriot reputation

Loser---Brady's reputation

Loser---NFL Reputation

Loser---Goodell's reputation...

 

I mean, seriously, nobody comes out of this looking good.  Nobody.

 

Fully agree.  But that would have been completely avoided if one of two things happened.

 

1.  The league had actually enforced their rules instead of trying to set a trap (a very poor one at that.)

 

2.  The league had followed their own rules and stuck with a team punishment/fine.

 

Goodell let it get personal, and he got burned.

 

I don't think it was as much about trying to nail the Patriots, as much as it was Goodell trying too hard after his previous screwups to get this one "right" for once.

 

The harder he tried, the more he got wrong with the investigation/prosecution of Brady.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

 

CBA is written to give Goodell the power that has been fought every time he's used it for conduct.

 

Problem here is it was Goodell who didn't follow the CBA.

 

It's precisely why he lost.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

Brady does not have the respect of his peers. That by itself is enough for me. His own team mates frequently leave him hanging on high fives. I hope we have developed a pass rush by the time we play that cheating clown. Nothing better than seeing Brady getting up off the ground with that pouty frown across his smug face begging the refs for the flag because someones frigging finger touched his helmet.

 

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Brady does not have the respect of his peers. That by itself is enough for me. His own team mates frequently leave him hanging on high fives. I hope we have developed a pass rush by the time we play that cheating clown. Nothing better than seeing Brady getting up off the ground with that pouty frown across his smug face begging the refs for the flag because someones frigging finger touched his helmet.

Twitter says otherwise. #jokes

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Brady does not have the respect of his peers. That by itself is enough for me. His own team mates frequently leave him hanging on high fives. I hope we have developed a pass rush by the time we play that cheating clown. Nothing better than seeing Brady getting up off the ground with that pouty frown across his smug face begging the refs for the flag because someones frigging finger touched his helmet.

Huh? I never heard his teammates not high fiving him.

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Goodell needs his pink slip. He has to be the worst commissioner ever. How many times can you screw something up before you are held accountable?

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Once again the Patriots squeeze out of a situation... unpunished.                 

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Brady does not have the respect of his peers. That by itself is enough for me. His own team mates frequently leave him hanging on high fives. I hope we have developed a pass rush by the time we play that cheating clown. Nothing better than seeing Brady getting up off the ground with that pouty frown across his smug face begging the refs for the flag because someones frigging finger touched his helmet.

 

Oh no!

 

I think they forgive him when they count their bonus checks from the Super Bowl wins he leads the Pats to.

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The ruling came down based on the process of the investigation and punishment.  As such, there were clear violations on the part of the league.  The league had supposedly independent investigators from the Wells team questioning Brady at the appeal on behalf of the NFL.  That's a clear conflict of interest.  And then the league itself didn't comply with the discovery process disclosing the information evidence and notes of the investigating team.  That's a huge red flag.  That's sloppy, egregious, and ultimately why the judge was able to find a legal basis when his appeal was based solely on the process.  

 

That being said, i think that if this judge had been able to review the MERITS OF THE CASE (guilt or innocence) he would have shredded the NFL even worse.  There is more circumstantial evidence to support the idea that the league intentionally framed Tom Brady than there is of the balls being deflated in the first place.  

 

From a legal perspective, any objective arbitrator could not take Walt Anderson's Testimony about his estimate of pre-game PSI as the basis for a FORENSIC INVESTIGATION.  That would be like a cop saying, i lost the cup but i think the fingerprint looked something like this...  That's just based on the simple fact that the PSI wasn't recorded.  Furthermore, when you tell us that you don't remember which gauge you used to measure PSI before the game that's a clear impeachment of your credibility on said subject and both parties would have been excused from the hearing.  

 

When it comes to the halftime measurement, the basis of the EXPONENT experiments was to use the Colts footballs as a control group.  That chain of evidence was contaminated.  They only measured for of them, and curiously when the first ball AVERAGED below the league mandated PSI they STOPPED MEASURING FOOTBALLS.  That's just ridiculous.  You would get laughed at.  To top it all off you have exponent saying that each football would experience relatively the same amount of slump in PSI but the raw data shows that the resulting PSI for the Colts balls and the pats balls were all over the place.  

 

So in the end, what you had was a botched investigation BOTCHED.  You had a contaminated chain of evidence, you had no system in place to ensure the integrity of the PSI and no scientific consultant to remind you that you should index measurements to surface temperature.  Basically they had no case.  The case they did make was through lying in the court of public opinion.  

 

And then you come out with this convoluted idea that you can use PED statutes to suspend someone for four games when the rule book clearly says 25k fine?  That's just insane.  PED testing is collectively bargained, objective, and administered by professionals in the arena of blood analysis.  It's not some part time ref saying i think your hgh level was this the last time you came in but i don't remember.  

 

I could go on for hours but its late.  Big picture, this was a smear job-plain and simple.  The league shouldn't even appeal it.  We have already wasted enough time on football PSI.  another year and tens of millions of dollars isn't going to help the situation at all.  I think that if the appeal hasn't been filed already that a few of the owners will get a hold of Goodell and finally get him to see reason.  

 

This wasn't about the shield.  This was about Goodell wanting to be Godell.  

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Goodell needs his pink slip. He has to be the worst commissioner ever. How many times can you screw something up before you are held accountable?

The NFL continues to post record revenue and record profit. All the noise in the world can be made about forcing him out, but as long as those dollar signs are lining up, Rog isn't going anywhere.

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