Nope, thats not the way it works PAL. 

 

 

Its COACHING. yep, thats right. 

Thanks, SPANKY.

 

You still haven't told me which assistant coaches were the bad hires.  I'll wait. 

 

BTW- It took Sullivan 2+  years to get production from Brown.  Do the others get that luxury?  

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Bradley just picked a guy he knew for the Defensive side.  It's not important since he's the defensive guy.


I think Bradley doesn't retain Fisch.  I've heard that he's only on a one year contract, but have been unable to find any details.  It's not really scapetgoating to go in a different direction.  Especially when bringing in a new Quarterback.  

 

As for sentence 1....yikes, what if Bill Parcells had that same mindset in 1983 when he was hired by the NY GIants?....I doubt they win those 2 SB without Bill Belichick as DC. 

 

As for Fisch. I hope you are right, but I'll believe it when I see it. I think Bradley will keep his entire staff intact. 

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Thanks, SPANKY.

 

You still haven't told me which assistant coaches were the bad hires.  I'll wait. 

 

BTW- It took Sullivan 2+  years to get production from Brown.  Do the others get that luxury?  

 

Any assistant that isn't getting progression/ development from his group of responsibility is a bad coach. Period. The Jags have 1, MAYBE 2 good assistants on the whole staff, in Sullivan and maybe Walker. The rest are weak hires. 

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It's hilarious that you think you know anything about the quality of the assistants that are here.  In their first year with a cobbled together roster of rookies, street FAs, and misfits - it had better not be the W/L record you are looking at.  That would be foolish.   How are you judging them? Their resume?  Caldwell and Bradley said they sought out guys that were ready to "move up" and build something together from the ground up. They weren't going for instant turnaround here. 

 

Tell me one  assistant coach who is underperforming based on the roster at his position group?  I'll laugh in your face if you say RB.  Everyone of them is hit in the backfield on 45% of their attempts.  That makes the O-line coach a possibility, but....  Rackley/Brewster/Meester/Bradfield/ regressing Nwaneri??  No, kinda hard to put that on him especially with the employment of a new scheme.  

 

 

Nope, thats not the way it works PAL. 

 

 

Actually, I saw a documentary on Belicheck's Cleveland staff.  Many are now head coaches, but once upon a time, in Cleveland, they were novices without much NFL experience.  They were able to build something, just not a QB.

 

It's a good show, I can recommend it.  Bradley might be closer to the point than we realize

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Yep, sucks that I'm right, huh?

 

As long as you think you're right sunshine, that's the important thing. 

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Actually, I saw a documentary on Belicheck's Cleveland staff.  Many are now head coaches, but once upon a time, in Cleveland, they were novices without much NFL experience.  They were able to build something, just not a QB.

 

It's a good show, I can recommend it.  Bradley might be closer to the point than we realize

 

 anonymous2112,   that's the path Jim Schwartz took when entering the NFL.   Bill Belichick is the HC that gave Schwartz the opportunity back in the early 1990's.    Like so many other coaches breaking into the NFL,  Schwartz had to do many odd jobs.   But that experience and opportunity became invaluable.    It led to many other NFL coaching opportunities,  including his present one in Detroit.  

 

 Thanks for mentioning the documentary.   I'm definitely interested in seeing it.

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Actually, I saw a documentary on Belicheck's Cleveland staff.  Many are now head coaches, but once upon a time, in Cleveland, they were novices without much NFL experience.  They were able to build something, just not a QB.

 

It's a good show, I can recommend it.  Bradley might be closer to the point than we realize

 

lol....wishing is fun. 

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Any assistant that isn't getting progression/ development from his group of responsibility is a bad coach. Period. The Jags have 1, MAYBE 2 good assistants on the whole staff, in Sullivan and maybe Walker. The rest are weak hires. 

So Mallory doesn't fit your bill, despite the ST getting better and better each week?  

 

And Yarno, is a bad hire despite working with Bradfield, Rackley Brewster, Nwaneri, Meester etc. ?  

 

Yarno had the #7 ranked line last year in Detroit with talent at 3 of the O-line positions, one average guy and one turnstile at guard. ( D6  you could assess that line better- feel free)

 I'd give Yarno a chance to get a decent line put together before sweeping him aside so ignorantly.  

 

Duffner started the year with 2 guys that weren't scheme fits and one average FA.  They've all gotten better as the year went on.  

 

Middleton had nobody Reisner looking pretty solid before injury, Harbor has been productive off the streets and he's managed to prepare a rotating cast pretty well thus far.  Noble caught a TD pass on his first career reception.   What a bum, huh?  Fire 'em. 

 

Your outright denouncement of the coaching staff is a massive fail, IMO. 

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And Yarno, is a bad hire despite working with Bradfield, Rackley Brewster, Nwaneri, Meester etc. ?  

 

Yarno had the #7 ranked line last year in Detroit with talent at 3 of the O-line positions, one average guy and one turnstile at guard. ( D6  you could assess that line better- feel free)

 I'd give Yarno a chance to get a decent line put together before sweeping him aside so ignorantly.  

 

 

 

 NYC4jags,  my take is George Yarno was a good Offensive Line coach with the Lions.   The main reason why Jim Schwartz elected to replace Yarno,  maybe the only reason,  is Schwartz wanted to promote then Lions Assistant Offensive Line Coach Jeremiah Washburn to be the Lions Offensive Line Coach.   Considering how well the Lions Offensive Line has performed this season with 3 new starters,  including the Right Side of the O-Line currently consisting of two rookies,   Schwartz made a great decision.   The decision by Schwartz also likely contributed to Jim Washburn,   Jeremiah's father,  to join the Lions Coaching staff as Assistant Defensive Line Coach.    Jim Washburn coached with Schwartz in Tennessee,  under Jeff Fisher.    It wasn't surprising to me that Yarno got another opportunity a few weeks after his stay with the Lions was over.

 

When George Yarno was the Lions Offensive Line Coach,  for the most part,  the unit was better at pass blocking than run blocking.  Last season though,  the Lions did have problems in terms of interior pressure,  even though it didn't result in many sacks.   That led to RG Stephen Peterman being let go in the winter and C Dominic Raiola had to take a major pay cut to remain with the team for a 13th season.   To Raiola's credit,   he added around 15 pounds and is much better equipped to handle a bull rush this season.    

 

George Yarno did a good job developing RT Gosder Cherilus,  who signed with the Colts as an UFA this off-season.   The Lions couldn't afford to keep Cherilus,  with all of the money invested in Matthew Stafford,  Calvin Johnson,  and Ndamukong Suh..   Cherilus is the Colts best Offensive Lineman this season.   

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 NYC4jags,  my take is George Yarno was a good Offensive Line coach with the Lions.   The main reason why Jim Schwartz elected to replace Yarno,  maybe the only reason,  is Schwartz wanted to promote then Lions Assistant Offensive Line Coach Jeremiah Washburn to be the Lions Offensive Line Coach.   Considering how well the Lions Offensive Line has performed this season with 3 new starters,  including the Right Side of the O-Line currently consisting of two rookies,   Schwartz made a great decision.   The decision by Schwartz also likely contributed to Jim Washburn,   Jeremiah's father,  to join the Lions Coaching staff as Assistant Defensive Line Coach.    Jim Washburn coached with Schwartz in Tennessee,  under Jeff Fisher.    It wasn't surprising to me that Yarno got another opportunity a few weeks after his stay with the Lions was over.

 

When George Yarno was the Lions Offensive Line Coach,  for the most part,  the unit was better at pass blocking than run blocking.  Last season though,  the Lions did have problems in terms of interior pressure,  even though it didn't result in many sacks.   That led to RG Stephen Peterman being let go in the winter and C Dominic Raiola had to take a major pay cut to remain with the team for a 13th season.   To Raiola's credit,   he added around 15 pounds and is much better equipped to handle a bull rush this season.    

 

George Yarno did a good job developing RT Gosder Cherilus,  who signed with the Colts as an UFA this off-season.   The Lions couldn't afford to keep Cherilus,  with all of the money invested in Matthew Stafford,  Calvin Johnson,  and Ndamukong Suh..   Cherilus is the Colts best Offensive Lineman this season.   

 

Thanks, D6. Yes, Peterman was the turnstile I referred to. (-8.9 grade at PFF)

 

 I think Yarno could do well if this line had only one such guy - instead of 3 guys that struggle consistently on running and passing downs.  

Joeckel /  decent FA /  decent FA / Nwaneri / Pasztor could be just fine if not pretty good with Yarno coaching them IMO.   I think he's a good coach saddled with bad players right now. 

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So Mallory doesn't fit your bill, despite the ST getting better and better each week?  

 

And Yarno, is a bad hire despite working with Bradfield, Rackley Brewster, Nwaneri, Meester etc. ?  

 

Yarno had the #7 ranked line last year in Detroit with talent at 3 of the O-line positions, one average guy and one turnstile at guard. ( D6  you could assess that line better- feel free)

 I'd give Yarno a chance to get a decent line put together before sweeping him aside so ignorantly.  

 

Duffner started the year with 2 guys that weren't scheme fits and one average FA.  They've all gotten better as the year went on.  

 

Middleton had nobody Reisner looking pretty solid before injury, Harbor has been productive off the streets and he's managed to prepare a rotating cast pretty well thus far.  Noble caught a TD pass on his first career reception.   What a bum, huh?  Fire 'em. 

 

Your outright denouncement of the coaching staff is a massive fail, IMO. 

 

 

LOL, the blow sunshine up everyone's rear positive spin. 

 

And if Yarno was as good as you are trying to spin, then why on earth would Detroit let him go? There was no regime change. Obviously, they thought they needed an upgrade. So we got their trash. And I certainly have not been happy with the results this year outside of a few decent games by the ORT. The running game has been abysmal at best and the pressure on the QB's has been relentless.

 

Duffner....its amazing how this guy who has yet to really develop any young LB in the entire time he's been here spanning 3 regimes, continues to keep his job. Must have some incriminating pictures or something. 

 

So, I'm supposed to think the TE's have done a good job this year?? Noble scored off of a blown coverage. Harbor has shown nothing. 

 

As said before, only Sullivan and potentially Walker are the only good assistants on the entire staff, 

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As said before, only Sullivan and potentially Walker are the only good assistants on the entire staff, 

 We'll see this time next season when a few of these other position coaches have a bit more talent to work with.   I think that you've jumped the shark labeling 9 coaches as bad hires  - just like you do 90% of the time with your whine-fests.   

 

Just so we're clear - you are labeling the OC, DC, TE, DL, OL, LB, ST, QB, and RB coaches as bad hires.  LOL.  I'm sure a few of those guys wills turn out to be above average in their duties.  Mallory already is. 

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Thanks, D6. Yes, Peterman was the turnstile I referred to. (-8.9 grade at PFF)

 

 I think Yarno could do well if this line had only one such guy - instead of 3 guys that struggle consistently on running and passing downs.  

Joeckel /  decent FA /  decent FA / Nwaneri / Pasztor could be just fine if not pretty good with Yarno coaching them IMO.   I think he's a good coach saddled with bad players right now. 

 

   My pleasure.

 

  For what it's worth,  I don't think Stephen Peterman was quite as bad as the PFF grade.   Yet,  clearly,  a major upgrade was something that made sense.   

 

   As it turned out,  the Lions drafted Kentucky G Larry Warford in Round 3,  after coaching him at the Senior Bowl.   Warford struggled early in training camp but since then has been better than anyone could have realistically expected as a rookie.   He's probably having a Pro Bowl caliber season.  Two weeks ago,  Warford was one of the 5 rookies nominated for Rookie of the Week for his performance against in Chicago,   If I recall correctly,  the Jaguars also had a rookie nominated that week for the award,  based on his performance in the win at Tennessee.   While the Lions Offensive Line and team overall took a major steps backwards in Pittsburgh,   I thought Warford had the best game of any of the Lions 22 starters on either side of the ball.   

 

 Larry Warford is a great example of what a talented young player can bring to a unit.   The same with last season's 1st Round pick LT Riley Reiff and 2013 UDRFA RT LaAdrian Waddle, who is the best Lions UDRFA I've seen in at least 30 years.   This despite Waddle not being as consistent in Pittsburgh as in other games.   If George Yarno ends up with a couple of highly talented young Offensive Lineman to work with,  coupled with a significant upgrade in Free Agency,   the Jaguars Offensive Line should be MUCH better at this time next year.    No one should blame Yarno for the current Offensive Line situation in Jacksonville........... which clearly needs multiple upgrades to go with Luke Joeckel when he returns in 2014.

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 anonymous2112,   that's the path Jim Schwartz took when entering the NFL.   Bill Belichick is the HC that gave Schwartz the opportunity back in the early 1990's.    Like so many other coaches breaking into the NFL,  Schwartz had to do many odd jobs.   But that experience and opportunity became invaluable.    It led to many other NFL coaching opportunities,  including his present one in Detroit.  

 

 Thanks for mentioning the documentary.   I'm definitely interested in seeing it.

Story of the 1995 Cleveland Browns, on NFL films: A Football life series

 

It was the last year before moving to Baltimore, so there were distractions for sure.  And yes, Jim Schwartz had to get the donuts.

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Those QB weren't going to be here long term. 
 
If Bradley was more well respected around the league, maybe he could have hired better assistants. 
 
Tom Coughlin never had a problem in getting quality assistant coaches here. Only the buffoon coaches of JDR, Mularkey did. And now it looks like Bradley also struggled to get good assistants here. (I don't think Bradley is a buffoon, but still failed to get them here, nonetheless)

There are buffoon coaches and there are buffoon posters ...

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The sun's not yellow, it's chicken.

There are buffoon coaches and there are buffoon posters ...

 

yep, but its okay, you can't help it. 

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yep, but its okay, you can't help it.

Are you an only child?

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The sun's not yellow, it's chicken.

Story of the 1995 Cleveland Browns, on NFL films: A Football life series

 

It was the last year before moving to Baltimore, so there were distractions for sure.  And yes, Jim Schwartz had to get the donuts.

 

Thanks for the info and the link.   The list of names from Bill Belichick's Cleveland Browns staff is impressive to say the least.

 

The sneak preview that still is on the NFL.Com  site by itself is terrific.  I really hope that NFL Network replays the entire program.

 

http://www.nfl.com/videos/cleveland-brow...sneak-peek

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Any assistant that isn't getting progression/ development from his group of responsibility is a bad coach. Period. The Jags have 1, MAYBE 2 good assistants on the whole staff, in Sullivan and maybe Walker. The rest are weak hires. 

 

You were wrong about Sullivan when Mularkey hired him. You didn't like the hire, and you said he wasn't a good coach anymore.

 

Why aren't you willing to wait a year or two before judgement?

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You were wrong about Sullivan when Mularkey hired him. You didn't like the hire, and you said he wasn't a good coach anymore.
 
Why aren't you willing to wait a year or two before judgement?

Ignore the man behind the curtain!

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The sun's not yellow, it's chicken.