Can anyone provide an objective reason as to why they would not trade Bortles for Luck? Or a reason for why they think Luck has hit his ceiling? Or why they think Bortles' ceiling is higher than Luck's? I can't think of a single convincing reason, but I can come up with many to the contrary.

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Can anyone provide an objective reason as to why they would not trade Bortles for Luck? Or a reason for why they think Luck has hit his ceiling? Or why they think Bortles' ceiling is higher than Luck's? I can't think of a single convincing reason, but I can come up with many to the contrary.

Well, I did just say there's the fact the Bortles is beating Luck in every statistical category this season so far. Which is a perfectly objective, valid reason. But you seemed to just overlook that.

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Well, I did just say there's the fact the Bortles is beating Luck in every statistical category this season so far. Which is a perfectly objective, valid reason. But you seemed to just overlook that.

 

That doesn't answer any of my questions though. To put in generally, why should we think that a small sample size of games (relative to his career thus far), is more indicative of his ability, ceiling, and developmental trajectory compared to what he has shown up to this point. He's I think 26 years old coming off a 40 TD season with better than a 2:1 TD:INT ratio. People are drooling and crowing Bortles over the fact that he is 'projected to throw for 30+ TDs' but which would be less than Luck's highest total, on a much worse completion rate, a worse turnover ratio, and a lower YPA. So Bortles' best season (which is only a projection and not reality) doesn't even compare to what Luck has already done. And that doesn't even refer to him leading the team to the playoffs and competing against the elite teams in the NFL. Bortles's accomplishments thus far pale in comparison. Until you can provide a good reason otherwise, I'm not convinced, and I don't think any objective rational fan of the NFL would be either.

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That doesn't answer any of my questions though. To put in generally, why should we think that a small sample size of games (relative to his career thus far), is more indicative of his ability, ceiling, and developmental trajectory compared to what he has shown up to this point. He's I think 26 years old coming off a 40 TD season with better than a 2:1 TD:INT ratio. People are drooling and crowing Bortles over the fact that he is 'projected to throw for 30+ TDs' but which would be less than Luck's highest total, on a much worse completion rate, a worse turnover ratio, and a lower YPA. So Bortles' best season (which is only a projection and not reality) doesn't even compare to what Luck has already done. And that doesn't even refer to him leading the team to the playoffs and competing against the elite teams in the NFL. Bortles's accomplishments thus far pale in comparison. Until you can provide a good reason otherwise, I'm not convinced, and I don't think any objective rational fan of the NFL would be either.

And Luck is in his worst season, with no signs of improvement. Like I said, last year I would have made the trade. With the way they are playing this year, I'll keep the hot hand. Luck's continuance of throwing rookie level ints this far into his career is worrisome to me and I've always thought he was a bit over rated.


There's no guarantee Luck will have continued success and there's no guarantee Blake will continue growing, but RIGHT NOW, Blake is the better qb. And to me, that's the answer. You don't trade for someone who used to be good. If Luck rebounds and plays more like last year, then maybe I'd re-think it. But until I see he can continue that level of play, I'll keep my guy who's been playing better recently.

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Can anyone provide an objective reason as to why they would not trade Bortles for Luck? Or a reason for why they think Luck has hit his ceiling? Or why they think Bortles' ceiling is higher than Luck's? I can't think of a single convincing reason, but I can come up with many to the contrary.

 

There is no reason. They're all just hoping and praying.

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And Luck is in his worst season, with no signs of improvement. Like I said, last year I would have made the trade. With the way they are playing this year, I'll keep the hot hand. Luck's continuance of throwing rookie level ints this far into his career is worrisome to me and I've always thought he was a bit over rated.


There's no guarantee Luck will have continued success and there's no guarantee Blake will continue growing, but RIGHT NOW, Blake is the better qb. And to me, that's the answer. You don't trade for someone who used to be good. If Luck rebounds and plays more like last year, then maybe I'd re-think it. But until I see he can continue that level of play, I'll keep my guy who's been playing better recently.

 

You're delusional. Tom Brady is 40 years old and having arguably the best season of his career, to think that Luck has hit his ceiling and is actually regressing because he's had a few bad games is ridiculous. I don't know how you could reasonably justify this belief. Bortles is still making poor decisions, redzone INTs, pick 6s, inaccurate passes (actually getting worse), erractic pocket presence, should we think he's hit his ceiling too? Bortles literally does nothing better than Luck, he's beat on all counts.

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You're delusional. Tom Brady is 40 years old and having arguably the best season of his career, to think that Luck has hit his ceiling and is actually regressing because he's had a few bad games is ridiculous. I don't know how you could reasonably justify this belief. Bortles is still making poor decisions, redzone INTs, pick 6s, inaccurate passes (actually getting worse), erractic pocket presence, should we think he's hit his ceiling too? Bortles literally does nothing better than Luck, he's beat on all counts.

I'm delusional bc I say I'd rather take the hot hand. Ok.

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I'm delusional bc I say I'd rather take the hot hand. Ok.

 

So, by that rationale, you'd trade Bortles for McCown straight up, right?

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Tom Brady is 40 years old and having arguably the best season of his career

 

 

Luck aint Brady, friend...and he never will be

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Well, I did just say there's the fact the Bortles is beating Luck in every statistical category this season so far. Which is a perfectly objective, valid reason. But you seemed to just overlook that.

 

Not to mention Luck is in his 4th season and Blake is in his 2nd.

 

Luck's second season he had 23 TDs and 9 INTs.

 

Blake is on pace for 34 TDs and 18 INTs.

 

He is on pace for over 4100 yards passing.   Luck had a little over 3800 in his 2nd season.

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So, by that rationale, you'd trade Bortles for McCown straight up, right?

Blake has a better qbr and twice as many tds than McCown so.....


I know you don't like Bortles and think Luck is a God. But my reasoning remains the same and makes sense. It's not wrong just because you don't agree with me.

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I don't think Luck is necessarily overrated in terms of his potential, but the media is jumping the gun on trying to include him in 'top 5 qb in the NFL' discussions. Good news for us is their general manager is doing a terrible job of giving him a good offensive line. Luck gets hit a lot, and it effects his internal clock. If the offensive line stays bad,it could potentially effect Luck's development.

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Can anyone provide an objective reason as to why they would not trade Bortles for Luck? Or a reason for why they think Luck has hit his ceiling? Or why they think Bortles' ceiling is higher than Luck's? I can't think of a single convincing reason, but I can come up with many to the contrary.

 

Are you really that slow?

 

Bortles hasn't even reached his ceiling, and Luck already has.

 

Just take a look at Luck's career.  His best year was his second in college.  He's been on cruise control since, not growing a bit.  That's great when you grade and project a guy when he's still in college, but that was years ago without progress since.

 

But that probably isn't his problem as much as it is your problem.  Open your eyes and actually watch with just a hint of objectivity.

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Are you really that slow?

 

Bortles hasn't even reached his ceiling, and Luck already has.

 

Just take a look at Luck's career.  His best year was his second in college.  He's been on cruise control since, not growing a bit.  That's great when you grade and project a guy when he's still in college, but that was years ago without progress since.

 

But that probably isn't his problem as much as it is your problem.  Open your eyes and actually watch with just a hint of objectivity.

 

The main argument for Luck seems to be that he was able to feast on a weak division over his first three seasons to build up a good reputation. If you're going purely on production at this stage of their careers then Bortles is way out in front. In Luck's second season, when he was older than Bortles now, he threw 23 TD passes. Bortles, at 23, currently is on a pace to get closer to Luck in his third season, when he was 25, than Luck in his second season.

 

One thing is for sure, Bortles current trajectory should be taken note of, he's way out ahead of everyone else at this age except for Dan Marino and Matthew Stafford, who was in his third season of NFL football when he was 23.

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The main argument for Luck seems to be that he was able to feast on a weak division over his first three seasons to build up a good reputation. If you're going purely on production at this stage of their careers then Bortles is way out in front. In Luck's second season, when he was older than Bortles now, he threw 23 TD passes. Bortles, at 23, currently is on a pace to get closer to Luck in his third season, when he was 25, than Luck in his second season.


One thing is for sure, Bortles current trajectory should be taken note of, he's way out ahead of everyone else at this age except for Dan Marino and Matthew Stafford, who was in his third season of NFL football when he was 23.

Yeah but.... Luck is the chosen one

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There is no reason. They're all just hoping and praying.

Yep really concerned about that 30th ranked passer with a penchant for turning the ball over.

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Can anyone provide an objective reason as to why they would not trade Bortles for Luck? Or a reason for why they think Luck has hit his ceiling? Or why they think Bortles' ceiling is higher than Luck's? I can't think of a single convincing reason, but I can come up with many to the contrary.

You've got a guy in his second season ho is younger that looks better than Andrew luck.


The real question is, even if they're the same guy, why would you trade the younger one for the banged up older one?


Bortles arrow is pointing up. Lucks arrow is stagnant.

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Coughlin when asked if winning will be a focus: "What the hell else is there? This is nice and dandy, but winning is what all this is about."

Another prime time game for this scrub? What were they thinking?

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He's not a Hall of Famer or an elite QB. He's "good enough" but the team and organization is not. It's a dumpster fire when you combine a bad team and front office with an injured, slumping, reeling, and exposed QB. Fortunately for them, it's the worst division across all sports

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They just said on TV that he has also been suffering from several fractured ribs. Happened at the same time as the shoulder injury. Cavemans busted up.

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