An opposing point of view that's been wholly discredited by scientific studies. Your point of view is no different from claiming the Earth is flat.

 

Where are all these "scientific studies"? Most "studies" include opinionated doctors concluding that their opinion is fact. If anything, it's ignorant to assume that you're born that way. If you want to argue that one should have the free will to live as they choose, then I'll support your opinion. Until you can point to evidence not influenced by testimonial claims and opinionated doctors (absent physical evidence), you can't simply label it as fact because it supports your opinion.

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I'm down with that. You Have the head size:brain size ratio covered.

 

 

See above.

 

So, it's OK to insult someone so long as they disagree with you? I just want to know if personal insults validate my argument.

 

Man, you know nothing about TG people. The AMA quit listing it as a mental illness a long time ago. People are BORN that way, feel the the way they do from their earlist memories.

 

 

People used to believe the world was flat and that people of color were inferior to white people....doesn't mean they were right.



Believing that transgendered people aren't mentally ill is not me being "politically correct"...

 

 

You're a psychologist now, or do you play one on tv?

 

 

You keep claiming that TG people are mentally ill...even after the medical world has declared it not to be an illness.

 

I don't know, or care, if it's a mental illness. The AMA is a poor defense for your argument. They change their opinions like the wind changes directions. Currently, they believe that obesity is a disease. That's not even the overwhelming opinion of doctors; its the opinion of the AMA. The AMA is nothing more than a watered-down political group with their hands in almost anything popular at the moment. Hell, they even have an opinion on global warming. To be more precise, no more than 30% of their members are physicians. If your defense is to rely on the opinion of the AMA, then you've already lost the argument. 

 

The world being flat and racial discrimination are irrelevant to the argument. Compare to different topics to this one doesn't suddenly support your argument. 

 

I fully believe that TG people should live as they please. I don't care how or why they are the way the are. It doesn't mean I'm willing to dismiss contrary evidence / opinions for the sole purpose of supporting that. Also, having a different opinion doesn't make you a bigot or prejudice in the same way that being gay or TG doesn't make you a pervert.

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Where are all these "scientific studies"? Most "studies" include opinionated doctors concluding that their opinion is fact. If anything, it's ignorant to assume that you're born that way. If you want to argue that one should have the free will to live as they choose, then I'll support your opinion. Until you can point to evidence not influenced by testimonial claims and opinionated doctors (absent physical evidence), you can't simply label it as fact because it supports your opinion.

The entire medical and scientific establishment supports the notion that transgender people are not suffering from a mental illness. Such massive agreement does not result from a few studies from "opinionated doctors".

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The entire medical and scientific establishment supports the notion that transgender people are not suffering from a mental illness. Such massive agreement does not result from a few studies from "opinionated doctors".

The entire medical and scientific establish doesn't support that notion. I guess you don't know much about the AMA. 

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The entire medical and scientific establish doesn't support that notion. I guess you don't know much about the AMA.

I'm not familiar with the AMA but I know that in the European health care systems transgender people are not treated as if they are mentally ill. And no doctor would suggest these people should be treated as if they are.

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I'm not familiar with the AMA but I know that in the European health care systems transgender people are not treated as if they are mentally ill. And no doctor would suggest these people should be treated as if they are.

 

Again for years PTSD wasn't treated and soldiers where written off, does that mean because the medical community didn't see it as a problem the PTSD wasn't really there?

 

You can't treat what we don't understand, there's NEVER been a study that show biological proof of TG identity originating at birth. You can't document that type of information, just like you can't show a study showing biological proof that someone is born straight or gay. All we can do is observe and interpret actions and make educated assumptions as the origins of those actions.

 

Which circles back around to it being an identity which is originated in the mind. If the mind does not respond to function with your biological body (we can document there is no way to choose your biological body you are born a certain way) then the issue is within the mind.

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You keep claiming that TG people are mentally ill...even after the medical world has declared it not to be an illness. If you're not a professional or a psychologist, what is the basis of your assertion?


And please don't bring up violation of the COC keeping you from responding, because I'm pretty sure that the book you get your belief system from doesn't call it a "mental illness" either.

 

Here's the best I can do,

 

Lifestyle choices are fine, I support SS legislation (hopefully I'm not crossing into politics here) I support people the freedom to live there life as they see fit, I'm not ready to say every lifestyle is a product of birth. There's no studies proving me wrong, only assumptions based upon interpretations making my holdings in a unnamed religious text that men are created to be men and women created to be women just as valid as the interpretations of the AMA.

 

The OP talked about a school saying to a female, no you can't be a Homecoming king, we have that role for males. no one is saying she can't be a homecoming Queen. Why does everyone else in society have to bend to accommodate those that chose to live different lifestyles? Back to the argument did they chose on some level to be TG or are they born that way.

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An opposing point of view that's been wholly discredited by scientific studies. Your point of view is no different from claiming the Earth is flat.

 

Sure it is, we've been to outer space there is physical documentation the earth is not flat. There's no physical or biological way to interpret the mind at the birth of a child, all we have is testimony and observation both are open to interpretation making this far from a scientifically closed topic.

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Pa. School Board Says Transgender Student Can’t Run For Homecoming King

JOHNSTOWN, Pa. (AP) – A western Pennsylvania <span style="color:rgb(0,153,0);font-size:100%;font-weight:normal;background-color:transparent;">school</span> board won’t let a student who was born female but identifies as male run for homecoming king.

 

The Richland School Board didn’t rule on Kasey Caron’s request Monday night, but simply let stand an earlier decision by school administrators, which leaves the 17-year-old senior on the ballot for homecoming queen.

 

 

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2013/09/2...ming-king/

 

Thumbs up for my home city where boys are boys and girls are girls.

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In a few of the recent years here at Ponte Vedra, our high school has elected a person with a disability as the homecoming queen.  It's actually the most touching thing that I see each year.

 

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2012-...compassion

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Again for years PTSD wasn't treated and soldiers where written off, does that mean because the medical community didn't see it as a problem the PTSD wasn't really there?

 

You can't treat what we don't understand, there's NEVER been a study that show biological proof of TG identity originating at birth. You can't document that type of information, just like you can't show a study showing biological proof that someone is born straight or gay. All we can do is observe and interpret actions and make educated assumptions as the origins of those actions.

 

Which circles back around to it being an identity which is originated in the mind. If the mind does not respond to function with your biological body (we can document there is no way to choose your biological body you are born a certain way) then the issue is within the mind.

This would be a valid argument if PTSD had been classified as a mental illness...then unclassified as one by the medical community.

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???

So, it's OK to insult someone so long as they disagree with you? I just want to know if personal insults validate my argument.

 

 

As far as I'm concerned, you can insult me personally whether you agree with me or not. The post you cited was not meant to validate anything; both Eric and TMD posted content that insulted my intelligence, I responded in kind.

 

Go back and read this thread from the beginning. Eric's reaction was to categorize those who disagreed with him as being PC, then followed that up with accusations that I am intolerant and implied that I am unwilling or even afraid to debate him. Neither assertion could be further from the truth. Well, possibly one, partially, which I will address. As long as Eric isn't taking actual actions to discriminate against a TG person or persons, I will defend his right to state and defend his position with everything at my disposal.

 

I see nothing wrong with stating an opinion here then declining to discuss it further due to CoC concerns. I've done it myself. Having said that, it is a cheap shot to post something, then cite the CoC as a reason to not expound, and then imply that I'm not willing to discuss it in another venue because I'm intolerant or even scared.

 

This is the forum in which the topic has been posted. I admit, I will not bang my head against the wall debating the subject on political grounds, which I can't fathom being a factor in this particular discussion, or especially religious grounds. Obviously, I cannot even begin to explain why, beyond saying nothing will be resolved. Regarding that, Eric is right, I don't care what he has to say from a religious viewpoint, but it has nothing to do with intolerance or political correctness.

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If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
- Bob Marley


 

Debating this issue, or even spending any amount of time thinking about it is a complete waste of energy.

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All I will say is that especially lately (in recent times) those who are the purveyors of "tolerance" are often some of the most intolerant people I have ever run across. 

 

And I will leave it at that. 

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Only thing I see religious about any of this is that some people get hung up because people sin differently than they do....

 

In all honesty, I think the discussion has gone way off topic.  The topic of the subject matter is whether the TG should be able to nominated homecoming king / queen --- not whether we approve of thier lifestyle decision.   I don't give a crap about whether some dude wants to be a girl but YES, I have issues if that person wants to be a homecoming queen or compete against other girls in sporting events.   Heck, if I was just growing up I'd probably just slap on a pair of panties and be all-state in girls basketball because that is where we are heading these days.

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YES, I have issues if that person wants to be a homecoming queen or compete against other girls in sporting events.   Heck, if I was just growing up I'd probably just slap on a pair of panties and be all-state in girls basketball because that is where we are heading these days.

 

Ha! :woot:

 

I'm actually amazed that hasn't happened yet....and then the person if denied being able to do so would sue and probably win... :confused:

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In all honesty, I think the discussion has gone way off topic.  The topic of the subject matter is whether the TG should be able to nominated homecoming king / queen --- not whether we approve of thier lifestyle decision.   I don't give a crap about whether some dude wants to be a girl but YES, I have issues if that person wants to be a homecoming queen or compete against other girls in sporting events.   Heck, if I was just growing up I'd probably just slap on a pair of panties and be all-state in girls basketball because that is where we are heading these days.

 

Wait, what's wrong with wearing panties?

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If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
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In a few of the recent years here at Ponte Vedra, our high school has elected a person with a disability as the homecoming queen.  It's actually the most touching thing that I see each year.

 

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2012-...compassion

 

My memory from high school was that it was uncool to be on the homecoming court. I can't really remember why, I guess it was a heads vs. jocks thing.

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If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
- Bob Marley


 

The amount of idiocy, political correctness, and misinformation being tossed around in this thread, is very amusing.

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I'm down with that.

 

I usually don't say that when I'm speaking of TransGenders.....   just sayin' :yucky:

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