Legal or at the very least more transparently regulated.

That's very true too.

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???

Ok. Name hundreds of them then

One of the more popular OTCs that lead to to suspension are diuretics. Not only are they banned because they reduce an athlete's fluid retention and thus reducing weight, they are also banned because they are the leading agents in masking anabolic steroids. Just using this one example of a banned OTC, I can name you hundreds of athletes alone.


An few athletes that come up on just the top of my head. The two Williams that played DT for the Vikings. They were suspended, along with 4 other NFL players, for testing positive for OVER-THE-COUNTER diuretics. (See source 1 below.) When Jarvin Jenkins was suspended it was for an over-the-counter supplement. I can't remember on the top of my head if the other 8 Redskin players who were suspended with him was for an OTC or not. (See source 2 below.) When Hope Solo was benched in the olympics for a failed drug test, it was OTC diuretic (See source 3 below.). According to the World Anti-Doping Agency, there were 142 positive diuretic occurrences in 2003, 157 in 2004, 246 in 2005, 290 in 2006, 359 in 2007, and 436 in 2008. In which 16, 24, 26, 32, 33, and 44% were received OTC, respectively. (See source 4 below)


1. <a class="bbc_url" href='http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/28/nfl-declares-victory-in-starcaps-case/'>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/28/nfl-declares-victory-in-starcaps-case/</a> (The league is declaring victory in the case of the players who sued after they were suspended for taking a banned substance in the over-the-counter substance StarCaps.)

2. <a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.fredericksburg.com/sports/dc_sports/jarvis-jenkins-suspended-after-failing-test/article_d9eb8104-e3ad-5ec1-8844-8abf4fea2bc9.html?mode=jqm'>http://www.fredericksburg.com/sports/dc_sports/jarvis-jenkins-suspended-after-failing-test/article_d9eb8104-e3ad-5ec1-8844-8abf4fea2bc9.html?mode=jqm</a> (He purchased the supplement, which he’s been using since college, over the counter at GNC. He cross-referenced the substances in the supplement with what is on the league’s banned list and did not find any that matched.)

3. <a class="bbc_url" href='http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1253851-hope-solo-positive-drug-test-casts-shadow-over-olympians-sterling-reputation'>http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1253851-hope-solo-positive-drug-test-casts-shadow-over-olympians-sterling-reputation</a>

4. <a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.wada-ama.org/rtecontent/document/LABSTATS_2003.pdf'>http://www.wada-ama.org/rtecontent/document/LABSTATS_2003.pdf</a> (Replace 2003 with the other dates given above to access that study.)

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New signature because HIGH SCORE found the periodic table offensive. Pathetic LOL

Looks like Florida is getting feleipe franks. The guy is a stud.

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Coughlin when asked if winning will be a focus: "What the hell else is there? This is nice and dandy, but winning is what all this is about."

One of the more popular OTCs that lead to to suspension are diuretics. Not only are they banned because they reduce an athlete's fluid retention and thus reducing weight, they are also banned because they are the leading agents in masking anabolic steroids. Just using this one example of a banned OTC, I can name you hundreds of athletes alone.


An few athletes that come up on just the top of my head. The two Williams that played DT for the Vikings. They were suspended, along with 4 other NFL players, for testing positive for OVER-THE-COUNTER diuretics. (See source 1 below.) When Jarvin Jenkins was suspended it was for an over-the-counter supplement. I can't remember on the top of my head if the other 8 Redskin players who were suspended with him was for an OTC or not. (See source 2 below.) When Hope Solo was benched in the olympics for a failed drug test, it was OTC diuretic (See source 3 below.). According to the World Anti-Doping Agency, there were 142 positive diuretic occurrences in 2003, 157 in 2004, 246 in 2005, 290 in 2006, 359 in 2007, and 436 in 2008. In which 16, 24, 26, 32, 33, and 44% were received OTC, respectively. (See source 4 below)


1. <a class="bbc_url" href='http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/28/nfl-declares-victory-in-starcaps-case/'>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/28/nfl-declares-victory-in-starcaps-case/</a> (The league is declaring victory in the case of the players who sued after they were suspended for taking a banned substance in the over-the-counter substance StarCaps.)

2. <a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.fredericksburg.com/sports/dc_sports/jarvis-jenkins-suspended-after-failing-test/article_d9eb8104-e3ad-5ec1-8844-8abf4fea2bc9.html?mode=jqm'>http://www.fredericksburg.com/sports/dc_sports/jarvis-jenkins-suspended-after-failing-test/article_d9eb8104-e3ad-5ec1-8844-8abf4fea2bc9.html?mode=jqm</a> (He purchased the supplement, which he’s been using since college, over the counter at GNC. He cross-referenced the substances in the supplement with what is on the league’s banned list and did not find any that matched.)

3. <a class="bbc_url" href='http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1253851-hope-solo-positive-drug-test-casts-shadow-over-olympians-sterling-reputation'>http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1253851-hope-solo-positive-drug-test-casts-shadow-over-olympians-sterling-reputation</a>

4. <a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.wada-ama.org/rtecontent/document/LABSTATS_2003.pdf'>http://www.wada-ama.org/rtecontent/document/LABSTATS_2003.pdf</a> (Replace 2003 with the other dates given above to access that study.)

Gator fans won't own up to it because it was their guy that got caught. Don't let these silly facts get in the way of their agenda. Bottom line...if there was a doubt about what he took he could have easily told the UF training staff and got an opinion but he didn't. He's yet to even come forward about what he took. There is a right way to do things and there is a wrong way, he chose the latter and has to pay the same consequences any other NCAA athlete would.

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Gator fans won't own up to it because it was their guy that got caught. Don't let these silly facts get in the way of their agenda. Bottom line...if there was a doubt about what he took he could have easily told the UF training staff and got an opinion but he didn't. He's yet to even come forward about what he took. There is a right way to do things and there is a wrong way, he chose the latter and has to pay the same consequences any other NCAA athlete would.

 

Now this is the stuff that annoys me the most about the UF/FSU back and forth.  You'll get the standard blow hards saying how I am a UF fan again, but this is the truth...

 

If this situation was exactly the same, but this was an FSU player, the argument would be exactly the same, but coming from BigJohn, you, and Titsanequaltrash.  You want to come here and act like you are somehow morally superior when in reality everyone here is exactly the same and will put up the exact same fight depending on which member of which football makes the stupid mistake at the time.

 

If their agenda is sticking up for their player for what they think is a stupid rule, then your agenda of putting them down for everything no matter what is just as dumb.

 

I love coming to this section of the board, but these stupid comments have to stop.

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Looks like Florida is getting feleipe franks. The guy is a stud.

McElwain is putting together a phenomenal class to this point. He gets after it. I saw Franks play one of the early HS games on TV, really big kid 6'4''-6'5'' range  that can run and sling it. I doubt he's factored in to any of the current rankings yet.

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Gator fans won't own up to it because it was their guy that got caught. Don't let these silly facts get in the way of their agenda. Bottom line...if there was a doubt about what he took he could have easily told the UF training staff and got an opinion but he didn't. He's yet to even come forward about what he took. There is a right way to do things and there is a wrong way, he chose the latter and has to pay the same consequences any other NCAA athlete would.

 

 

Now this is the stuff that annoys me the most about the UF/FSU back and forth.  You'll get the standard blow hards saying how I am a UF fan again, but this is the truth...

 

If this situation was exactly the same, but this was an FSU player, the argument would be exactly the same, but coming from BigJohn, you, and Titsanequaltrash.  You want to come here and act like you are somehow morally superior when in reality everyone here is exactly the same and will put up the exact same fight depending on which member of which football makes the stupid mistake at the time.

 

If their agenda is sticking up for their player for what they think is a stupid rule, then your agenda of putting them down for everything no matter what is just as dumb.

 

I love coming to this section of the board, but these stupid comments have to stop.

I think the only agenda that has really been addressed, by non Gator fans as well, is the fact that the rule is to harsh, particularly when compared to other infractions out there. He did the crime, he's gotta pay the piper. 

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Now this is the stuff that annoys me the most about the UF/FSU back and forth. You'll get the standard blow hards saying how I am a UF fan again, but this is the truth...


If this situation was exactly the same, but this was an FSU player, the argument would be exactly the same, but coming from BigJohn, you, and Titsanequaltrash. You want to come here and act like you are somehow morally superior when in reality everyone here is exactly the same and will put up the exact same fight depending on which member of which football makes the stupid mistake at the time.


If their agenda is sticking up for their player for what they think is a stupid rule, then your agenda of putting them down for everything no matter what is just as dumb.


I love coming to this section of the board, but these stupid comments have to stop.

Welcome back, i figured you were struggling to figure out which side of hostiletakeovers argument you wanted to be on. Like trav pointed out, the majority of people believe the punishment is too harsh. Blow hard.. i guess i am. Here i was thinking i was a reasonable fsu fan. I guess those don't exist.


Edit. Also would like to point out not one time did i rib gator fans or put down Grier for this. He made a mistake that had a huge consequence. These college athletes are more than numbers on a jersey, you could see it during his press conference. I genuinely feel bad for the guy.

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McElwain is putting together a phenomenal class to this point. He gets after it. I saw Franks play one of the early HS games on TV, really big kid 6'4''-6'5'' range that can run and sling it. I doubt he's factored in to any of the current rankings yet.

I don't think he's factored in but I'm looking forward to seeing him in mcelwains hands.

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Coughlin when asked if winning will be a focus: "What the hell else is there? This is nice and dandy, but winning is what all this is about."

Welcome back, i figured you were struggling to figure out which side of hostiletakeovers argument you wanted to be on. Like trav pointed out, the majority of people believe the punishment is too harsh. Blow hard.. i guess i am. Here i was thinking i was a reasonable fsu fan. I guess those don't exist.


Edit. Also would like to point out not one time did i rib gator fans or put down Grier for this. He made a mistake that had a huge consequence. These college athletes are more than numbers on a jersey, you could see it during his press conference. I genuinely feel bad for the guy.

 

I can see both sides of the argument and agree with a lot of his points.  I do think a lot of the stuff sold at GNC gives an athletic advantage that is unfair and things that are used to mask steroids and the like....but I don't think what he took was for that in this case.  Do I think he may have done steroids in the past, maybe, but not during the season.

 

I also completely disagree with how he talks about the football programs being able to self discipline.  I think most programs have proven over and over that they are unable to be bias in self disciplining.  If someone like Grier can miss a whole season for this and then you see the guys only miss a game for other stuff that I would consider much much worse....its a joke,

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   I know this is a tired debate but i would like to weigh in on the matter. First, as a Gators fan, i admit Will cheated. He took something he knew he shouldn't have to gain a competitive edge. Albeit the only result of which i could visibly see was weight gain, but cheating is cheating. 

 

   The biggest thing that myself and other fans ive spoke to saw in Grier was the "it" factor he displayed earlier in the year. Its something that most championship teams have had throughout the years and even recently. Teams with special players usually have the most success or succeed where most believe they shouldnt. For example, i remember watching FSU Clemson a few years ago, and im pretty sure he was still a freshman, but i remember they showed Jameis in the locker room before the game and by the way this freshman talked and the way the team listened you could tell that he was different than most players, there was just something special about him. In no way am i saying that Grier is Jameis or is he going to be anything close to him. All im saying is that there was something different about him that we as gators fan had not seen since the golden boy went to play in denver. And if you watched the Tennessee game you know what I mean. 14 points in the last four and a half minutes when youre down 13 and havent done anything the whole game? And then to throw that beautiful TD on 4th and 14, i lost my voice for a few days after watching that. And then to have those dreams partially validated by beating the number 3 team in the country(whether they deserved to be the number 3 team is a debate for another day) in such a convincing manner and Grier playing the way he did had myself and other gators fans thinking playoff thoughts. 

 

   Now about Treon. Imo Treon is Jeff Driskel right now. He's playing scared right now. Yeah i know you could take the easy side of the argument and say he's short, which he is, but thats obvious. Whats more painfully obvious is the fact that hes trying to be something hes not. He doesnt have the accuracy to sit in the pocket every play and try to pick apart the coverage. And the few times the oline has given him time he gets antsy and rolls out when he doesnt need to, holds onto the ball way too long. Which is exactly what Jeff would do last year and the year before. But he does have some strengths that either he or coach mac arent playing to. Hes fast and quick, and he throws pretty well on the run. If i were coach mac id mix in a few read options every game, and tell treon to pull a few of them. Im not saying hes an option qb but hes quick enough to bust a long run a few times a game. I support him as a gator but i dont have much faith that he'll turn out to be anything more than a shorter, less accurate Tyler Murphy. I hope he proves me wrong, and i hope he stops trying to be what hes not and plays to his strengths because its not Vandy or FAU or South Carolina coming to the swamp this week, hell, its not even UGA coming to play this week. They need to be on their toes and ready to go or Dalvin is going to shove that ball down their throat. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I was texting one of my Gator buddies a few weeks ago and he told me Grier wasn't that good.

 

Clearly you could see the difference earlier in the year when Grier was running things compared to now.

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I thought it was close at the beginning of the year. But the more Harris plays, the more you realize he is absolutely terrible.

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Grier is also a freshman too. He has a lot of things to work on as most freshman do, but he had a lot of upside. Hopefully he can learn from his mistakes and come back strong. But it is obvious that treon is not a SEC qb. 

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I thought it was close at the beginning of the year. But the more Harris plays, the more you realize he is absolutely terrible.

 

I thought it was close too, because treon wasn't playing scared and he was taking shots. He must have gotten too comfortable or something. We dont have the oline and running game to play that conservatively.

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Well thats stupid of the mods. i wasnt talking about his appeal i was talking about something different. oh well what they say goes i reckon

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