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Impressions From The Chargers Game
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Quote:I can understand that approach here if the team were willing and able to you know...actually run the ball. I guess I'm hoping that the staff committing to two plays and the requisite personnel groupings those two plays would have would provide a kind of Cortez-burning-his-ships-upon-reaching-the-New-World kind of effect. "Look, this is what we got and help ain't coming so let's make this work." I agree with you and I share your exasperation regarding the approach. I just feel like a true commitment to something would have a positive effect.
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I was at the game.......
I saw a lot of 3rd and less than 4 for the Chargers and a lot of 3rd and 7 or more for the Jags. Reasons? Rivers has, arguably, the quickest release in the NFL........less than 2.5 seconds, on average. His receivers, supposedly a group off "back-benchers", had to create space between themselves and the Jag defenders.......and they did, consistently. Gain of 6.....2nd down, 4 to go. Two more downs to get 4 yards.........throw a dart at the playbook, any play you want. Hard to defense. The Jags, when they ran on 1st down, had mostly no gain, or at most 2 yards. A lot of first down passes were out in the flat, gaining a similar result........2nd down, 8 to go. On second down, 55,000 people sitting in the stands could predict a pass if the Jags ran on 1st down and gained less than 4, or the Jags passed on first down and only gained 3 yards or less......3rd down, 7 to go. Bortles, though I like his upside, is currently last in completion percentage among starting QB's. He dropped to pass how many times? 50 something, counting sacks? We handed the ball to Yeldon what? 10 times? That's not what we drafted him for.
Quote:Regarding point number 2. To be fair they've tried mightily to run in the red zone and that too doesn't work. It appears they're throwing the play book at the red zone and nothing appears to be working. It's not like we are good at picking up short yardage ANYWHERE on the field much less the red zone.I'm not sure I would agree to calling running the same run play four times in a row as 'trying mightily'. I would view that as being more like 'tunnel vision' by the offensive coordinator. In fact, I think that a fair amount of our red zone woes is due to our offensive coordinator. Why do we abandon the read option when we get inside the 20?
Quote:The Jaguars went into this game with a chance to make the playoffs. After the game, the Jaguars still have a chance, but those chances became a lot slimmer, because not only did the Jaguars lose, but just about every team the Jaguars needed to lose wound up winning. It was as if fate is telling the Jaguars and fans not to get hopes up. Excellent analysis as always Bullseye. I would add something more. Quite a few people are bringing up the lack of red zone production on the offense, while also pointing to the defense. One other thing to consider is the STUPID COSTLY penalties. I turned to my wife and told her that the "Jaguars are shooting themselves in the foot". There are 10 kinds of people in this world. Those who understand binary and those who don't. Quote:I'm not sure I would agree to calling running the same run play four times in a row as 'trying mightily'. I would view that as being more like 'tunnel vision' by the offensive coordinator. In fact, I think that a fair amount of our red zone woes is due to our offensive coordinator. Why do we abandon the read option when we get inside the 20? They ran and it didn't work. They pass and it didn't work. I don't like the 4 run plays in a row thing either, but saying we should run more, which was a response to his point, is unfair given that they've tried that. They just stink at it right now for whatever reason. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
Quote:They ran and it didn't work. They pass and it didn't work. I don't like the 4 run plays in a row thing either, but saying we should run more, which was a response to his point, is unfair given that they've tried that. They just stink at it right now for whatever reason. I'm sure that this will be an unpopular post, and Minorcan it's not directed specifically at you. I do agree that the run was abandoned not only in the red zone, but in the game period. However, in the red zone, where was Toby Gerhart? Why not play him on a 1st down in the red zone? Even if he doesn't carry the ball, the defense would have to account for him since he is allegedly our "short yardage" RB. We also have a pass-catching TE in Julius Thomas as well as two other tight ends that can catch passes (Marcedes Lewis and Clay Harbor) along with Allen Robinson who is good on the "jump ball". You line up 3 tight ends and your "short yardage running back" and make the defense adjust to it. Try to run with Toby. Next down P/A and throw to one of the big guys, etc... My point is that Toby Gerhart should be used more in these situations to create match ups. There are 10 kinds of people in this world. Those who understand binary and those who don't.
More Chris Smith please.
He only had 16 snaps and I remember seeing him more times than I seen Branch and Clemons. They both had 57 and 46 snaps... The only times I remember seeing either of them was on their stupid offsides penalties.
I pretty much never blame the play calling but I thought it was awful. The only throw I can really remember aggressively trying to score in the red zone was a fade to hurns that overshot.
We have Julius Thomas and Allen Robinson total jump ball mismatches. Just spread the field and throw it up wide or drill a pass in the middle to hurns/Walters We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! Quote:I don't.Sorry but I am missing the point here. Tyson did the job when he was in as a FB. He lead the attack and cleared a hole from where I was sitting. If your point is we need a true FB then ok, but in the grand scheme of things I don't think Alualu coming in on certain downs is a huge problem.
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Copycat,
I guess my rant has its origins on the short yardage play-actually one of the few times the Jaguars tried play action. Alualu had to run a pass route. It looked like he struggled to get open on that short route, and Bortles didn't even try to throw to him. It seems with few exceptions, none of the plays involving Alualu have actually worked. It's a gimmick. Gimmicks are kinda cute until they start to fail. That gimmick's shelf life has expired for now. Worst to 1st. Curse Reversed!
Jagibelieve,
I prefer your suggestion to use Gerhart in short yardage to the use of Alualu in similar situations. At least if you run the play action, Gerhart has a chance to get open and I would feel much more comfortable with him catching the ball/running the ball than Alualu. Regarding the stupid penalties, to me there weren't many killer penalties this past game. The offsides were annoying, but nothing backbreaking. But that has been an issue overall with this team for years. Worst to 1st. Curse Reversed!
Quote:Copycat,Gotcha! To your point perhaps if they are not going to go out and get an actual FB then maybe they should fully integrate Tyson in that roll until they are willing to do so?
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We drafted a pass rusher and he got taken out during camp so I'll say he won't do much and also he is from the Gators and we haven't had much success with players from them. Yes, you have to keep running the ball and if you have 3 guys dressed out for it then use them all. FB, runs inside/outside. It's not gonna help the run if you don't throw the ball down the field to back off CBs. That is why the LB was able to react and pick the ball off. I said it before, you won't win games pattie caking down the field. Jags are predictable. Blake gets rushed they start throwing short jump route passes. Tenn will blitz cause we don't pick them up. He will take sacks and they will act like he doesn't have time. We won't do any hard counts no matter how aggressive they are. No screens in the 1st half. Our D will stay on the field more than our O etc...... Maybe not lets be hopeful
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I have problems with some of your premises. First, just because Fowler got hurt in minicamp doesn't mean he's doomed to nothingness. Granted, just because he was drafted in the first doesn't mean he is destined to succeed, either. Furthermore, the team has had success with Gator players, most notably Fred Taylor and Mike Peterson. To a lesser extent. Bobby McCray had a 10 sack year for us then fell off the face of the earth. There have been busts coming out of UF, too. Worst to 1st. Curse Reversed!
Quote:The Jaguars went into this game with a chance to make the playoffs. After the game, the Jaguars still have a chance, but those chances became a lot slimmer, because not only did the Jaguars lose, but just about every team the Jaguars needed to lose wound up winning. It was as if fate is telling the Jaguars and fans not to get hopes up. I enjoyed reading your thread/post. I commented in Teal. [url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/OlsoGr0.htm%C2][/url]
Quote:I can understand that approach here if the team were willing and able to you know...actually run the ball. This refusal to run the ball is so weird. People act like our running game is really bad... but Yeldon is averaging 4 YPC. Denard is averaging 4 YPC. That's middle of the pack. Surely not to the point where you'd abandon the run completely and pass it 50 times a game like they've been doing. This running game can be decent, they were playing the worst run D in the NFL, and they called 12 run plays... I don't get it. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
It is OC Greg Olson's scheme he passes first and tends to only run heavy when the team already has the lead to kill the clock. Which helps TJ Yeldon and D-Rob get more yards because teams dont stack the box as they tend not to expect the run.
Quote:It is OC Greg Olson's scheme he passes first and tends to only run heavy when the team already has the lead to kill the clock. Which helps TJ Yeldon and D-Rob get more yards because teams dont stack the box as they tend not to expect the run. I've enjoyed the first season with olsen. Hopefully he creates a better red zone attack soon. Quote:My thoughts...1. How Hurns went undrafted is a mystery to me, other than to put it into the category of "stuff happens." I think fans have a tendency to root for the underdog, and we've had numerous examples of training camp phenoms who manage to disappear. I think my initial reluctance to get overly enthusiastic about him was my cynicism over that dynamic. But time has proven him to be an outstanding young receiver. Sullivan raves about his work ethic and toughness, and simply put, he has one of the best double moves in the game. We haven't gotten a break at WR like this since signing Jimmy Smith. 2. Taking your post about Olsen at face value, I did not know that about him. He has a history of coordinating losing teams, so my inclination is part of that is attributable to not playing with many leads. But there were three other games this year-Houston, Tampa, Indy-where the team had the lead going into the 4th quarter. Now I'm wondering if he has an aversion of sorts to running the football. Bortles seems to have progressed under him from year 1 to year 2. But I think Bortles progression will prematurely plateau if the team cannot find offensive balance. 4. I hope Julius Thomas' game against the Chargers was a harbinger of things to come in the weeks and seasons to come for him, only with a lot more wins. 5. The one point of contention I have with your post is here. I do not wonder why this team has not drafted a CB in the first round-at least not since Caldwell has been here. The team picked too high to pick a CB in the first round, especially when a LT, QB and DE were available at the spots in each one of the past three drafts. I think if the team wins another game or two and winds up with a pick somewhere between 8 and 14 or so, this might be the year the Jaguars draft a CB high. 6. I hope I am not jinxing him here, but he seems to be gaining consistency in his FG kicking. 7. Poz is reaching that critical point where he is getting old enough to where you have to consider drafting his replacement, but he is good enough to put it off another year. He has played well for the Jaguars. 8. I have noticed that about the way they use Lee. I remember reading reports indicating he was having trouble running routes and making the adjustments. I wonder if that is lingering with him, or at least the doubt his difficulty put in their heads is lingering with Bortles and the coaches. Perhaps because he hasn't been healthy, he hasn't had the chance to gain timing and confidence with Bortles. Maybe it's some combination. All I know is, especially with Hurns likely out this week against the tacks, we need Lee to step up big time. 9. I have been looking for Alualu to be gone from this roster for a long time, but he manages to stay around. If the team drafts heavy in the front 7 this coming draft, maybe he'll be gone. Thanks for the kudos. Back atcha! Worst to 1st. Curse Reversed!
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