Kill them. Wherever they are. If they're linked to ISIS in any insignificant way, kill them and let their slaughter be an example to those who would follow in their footsteps.

Isn't this the kind of anti-muslim speech Loretta Lynch promised to prosecute?  Naming the enemy is now a federal crime. 

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What? Tell that to the 911 victims, the fort hood victims, the people stabbed in california, the boston marathon bombings etc. This isn't some right wing plot to repeal a banking regulation.

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Don't turn your brains off yet.  We still don't know the real story.  Where is the 3rd shooter?  Where is the mother and the baby?  If the mother lived with Farook and his wife, why did she have to "drop off the baby" before the attack?  The Mom and baby would both be at home, right?

 

And what about the handcuffs on the deceased?  How many people need handcuffing after losing a shootout with 100 cops?  Yet here we have both corpses cuffed.  Their lawyer is saying they were handcuffed in the back of the SUV and dead for several hours before the "shootout".

 

Then we have the bizarre situation of the media getting into the residence and tampering with all possible evidence.  What's going on here? 

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Don't turn your brains off yet.  We still don't know the real story.  Where is the 3rd shooter?  Where is the mother and the baby?  If the mother lived with Farook and his wife, why did she have to "drop off the baby" before the attack?  The Mom and baby would both be at home, right?

 

And what about the handcuffs on the deceased?  How many people need handcuffing after losing a shootout with 100 cops?  Yet here we have both corpses cuffed.  Their lawyer is saying they were handcuffed in the back of the SUV and dead for several hours before the "shootout".

 

Then we have the bizarre situation of the media getting into the residence and tampering with all possible evidence.  What's going on here? 

 

Cool! Another conspiracy theory brewing! I'm surprised it took so long. May it grow and prosper.

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The sun's not yellow, it's chicken.

Is there a grassy knoll near the crime scene?

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Must be the liberals trying to make... Muslims look bad?  Or is it gun control this time?  Luckily we have Marco Rubio calling for Bomb Control.  Finally, it'll be illegal to buy and make bombs.  

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I was wrong about Trent Baalke. 

Must be the liberals trying to make... Muslims look bad? Or is it gun control this time? Luckily we have Marco Rubio calling for Bomb Control. Finally, it'll be illegal to buy and make bombs.

Huh if already is?

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Don't turn your brains off yet.  We still don't know the real story.  Where is the 3rd shooter?  Where is the mother and the baby?  If the mother lived with Farook and his wife, why did she have to "drop off the baby" before the attack?  The Mom and baby would both be at home, right?

 

And what about the handcuffs on the deceased?  How many people need handcuffing after losing a shootout with 100 cops?  Yet here we have both corpses cuffed.  Their lawyer is saying they were handcuffed in the back of the SUV and dead for several hours before the "shootout".

 

Then we have the bizarre situation of the media getting into the residence and tampering with all possible evidence.  What's going on here? 

 

From what I have read and seen, there was a third person that was detained and questioned.  Not much further information regarding him/her.

 

Regarding the grandmother and baby, I assume that they were with family at another location.

 

As far as handcuffs on deceased, that's pretty standard procedure.  A law enforcement officer can't legally identify somebody as being deceased.  Also, for a law enforcement officer, the suspect's hands are important and must be secured.  This is nothing more than a standard safety measure.

 

The media entered the residence after law enforcement officials "cleared the scene", so no evidence was tampered with.  They did so with the consent of the property owner.  Any evidence was removed by law enforcement prior to that happening.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

There are so many different ways to die, from cancer to auto accident to falling off a ladder, that getting murdered by a terrorist is way down on my list of things to worry about.  

 

We get all hyped up by a terrorist killing 14 people in California.  Meanwhile, every day, thousands of people die from accidents or diseases.  

 

The politicians and the media get all hyped up about this, but if you look behind the curtain, all this political hype really has to do with one thing: money.   Divide and conquer.   One side wants redistribution of wealth, and the other side wants to do whatever they want without any regulation by the government.  That's the fundamental issue in this country, and everything else is a sideshow that is used by politicians to get people to vote them into office.   Wedge issues.  Abortion, gun control, etc.   Issues used to manipulate people. 

 

It's all about the money. 

 

Marty for President.

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Do you have a source for that 40% stat?  I'm not disputing it at all, but would like to see and use that source.

 


I'm sure you saw that stat and would just love to use it to support your narrative, but you might want to slow down there bud.


 

Very few, if any, of the mass murders in the US would have been prevented by registration. Even the crazy guy in Colorado had not been found mentally ill by any medical or government agency at the time he bought his guns.


 
But by your logic one could argue that banning Islam from the United States would be a far better option. Since (and not including) 9/11, over 40% of the mass murders in the US have been committed by Muslims, who comprise a mere 0.8% of the population.

  

<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/25/us/tally-of-attacks-in-us-challenges-perceptions-of-top-terror-threat.html'>http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/25/us/tally-of-attacks-in-us-challenges-perceptions-of-top-terror-threat.html</a>

 
Add 14 Muslim murders and 3 non-Muslim murders to the numbers in that article. The result is 40 out of 91 mass murders in the US committed by Muslims, 43.9%.


 
EDIT: That's mass murder deaths, not incidents.

Your stupidity is truly spectacular. In your effort to make everything neatly fit into your 'guns good, Muslims bad' narrative you have selected a source that actually goes against that narrative completely, and to further show your stupidity you have proceeded to entirely misinterpret the very statistic that you are using to make your ridiculous point.


You suggest that 40% of mass murders in the US are done by Muslims. You then use the New York Times article as your source. Let me make this clear: that article is about 'extremist attacks', it is not about all mass murders in the US. The actual statistic is that 40% of 'extremist attacks' in the US have been committed by Muslims. The common sense interpretation of this evidence is actually that, as a whole, that we should be more, or at least equally, concerned about other forms of extremism.


Here are the actual statistics for 'mass shootings' in the US. Of course, anybody with even an ounce of intelligence and analytical thought will know that not 40% of all mass shootings in the US are committed by Muslims. You are clearly not in this category.

<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34996604'>http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34996604</a>

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Is there a grassy knoll near the crime scene?

 

With you it always comes back to grass.

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"Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"

Well there's a very simple solution and it's called a parking lot.

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Your thoughts become your words,
Your words become your actions,
Your actions become your habits,
Your habits become your values,
Your values become your destiny.

From what I have read and seen, there was a third person that was detained and questioned.  Not much further information regarding him/her.

 

Regarding the grandmother and baby, I assume that they were with family at another location.

 

As far as handcuffs on deceased, that's pretty standard procedure.  A law enforcement officer can't legally identify somebody as being deceased.  Also, for a law enforcement officer, the suspect's hands are important and must be secured.  This is nothing more than a standard safety measure.

 

The media entered the residence after law enforcement officials "cleared the scene", so no evidence was tampered with.  They did so with the consent of the property owner.  Any evidence was removed by law enforcement prior to that happening.

 

I don't agree with much that you've written.  In the only eyewitness video available, the witness, Sally Adbelmageed, says at least 3 times that there were 3 gunmen.  Scott Pelley asks her specifically if she's sure there were 3 and she confirms it.  She described them as tall, white, athletic build, dressed exactly the same.  Black caps, vests, cargo pants with pockets full of extra magazines.  Where does a 90-lb woman fit into this?  This is a huge discrepancy that has not been sufficiently addressed.

 

Regarding the grandmother and baby, we are in search of facts not assumptions.  We can't prove or disprove anything, widen or narrow our lines of thought, based on assumptions.

 

Handcuffing the deceased is standard procedure?  Do we know this or are you just saying it?  Most of these shooters go down in a hail of bullets, but I don't recall their riddled bodies being displayed in hi-def on the national news very often, if ever.  So what can we compare this to?  What about the incident in Missouri - was Michael Brown handcuffed while he lay dead on the street for 4 hours in Ferguson?

 

And no, I have never seen the media tear through a crime scene like we saw this week.  The property owner?  I did not realize a landlord owns all of his tenants' possessions as well as the building. 

 

So yes, my curiosity remains unsatisfied.  Everyone is rushing to judgement and some are suggesting rash and unprecedented action based on this incident.  Some want to curtail our freedoms here at home.  Some want religious profiling.  Some want the "glass parking lot" solution.  Should we not have clarity on what exactly happened, how it happened, who is behind it, if anyone, and maybe some better insight on why it happened and what our true course of action should be? 

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So yes, my curiosity remains unsatisfied.  Everyone is rushing to judgement and some are suggesting rash and unprecedented action based on this incident.  Some want to curtail our freedoms here at home.  Some want religious profiling.  Some want the "glass parking lot" solution.  Should we not have clarity on what exactly happened, how it happened, who is behind it, if anyone, and maybe some better insight on why it happened and what our true course of action should be? 

You. You get it. The narrative here is no more or less convenient than the Planned Parenthood shooting is for the group with plenty to gain from this attack. If someone's going to call Planned Parenthood a false flag, this is at least a suspicious banner.

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Here's some nice research about mass shootings boiled down to 6 easy to remember points that everyone will ignore because this long ago ceased to be rational discussion about the facts:

 

http://www.iflscience.com/editors-blog/s...-shootings

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This wasn't a mass shooting.

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This wasn't a mass shooting.

"Mass shooting" and "terrorism" are not exclusive terms.

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Here's some nice research about mass shootings boiled down to 6 easy to remember points that everyone will ignore because this long ago ceased to be rational discussion about the facts:

 

http://www.iflscience.com/editors-blog/s...-shootings

Point #1 - compares all of the US.  If you take it a step further and compare it to each location, then add in how restrictive the gun laws are in that area you get a completely different picture.

 

Points #2 and 3 go pretty much hand in hand. With #4 IMO falling into the mental health sphere.

 

#5 - No kidding?  Times have changed and how we in the US turn criminals into victims is beyond comprehension.  People these days are not held accountable for their own actions so personal responsibility is no longer part of the equation.  

 

#6 - I disagree.  The assumption is that criminals submit to background checks.  That kind of flawed thinking baffles me beyond belief.  Anyone that clings to that thought process is delusional beyond words.  If criminals obeyed laws they would not be criminals.

 

Overall the link may present factual information, but it does not tell the whole story.  How I long for a link that does.

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At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening.
 

Handcuffing the deceased is standard procedure? Do we know this or are you just saying it? Most of these shooters go down in a hail of bullets, but I don't recall their riddled bodies being displayed in hi-def on the national news very often, if ever. So what can we compare this to? What about the incident in Missouri - was Michael Brown handcuffed while he lay dead on the street for 4 hours in Ferguson?

Yes, handcuffing a deceased aggressor is very standard by almost all policing agencies.

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In this context they are

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