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I agree with this school of thought. Guys on Jaguars twitter like Alfie are rolling their eyes at this for a couple reasons; one the practicality of it because they believe that our CB position is not as in need of an upgrade as national pundits believe, and 2 because they believe Hargreaves is not a "fit" for the type of DBs this team looks for. 

 

I think both of these views are incorrect. In terms of thinking our CBs don't need an upgrade, or at least not one in the form of a top 10 pick, I posit this: Do you believe either Colvin or House are true shutdown corners? I do not. I think both are really good players and would serve better as number 2 guys. Colvin specifically being able to play more slot/nickel corner then start on the outside would be better for him. He's solid in outside coverage but he's not elite, while in the nickel you can make the argument he is. House has good ball skills and is aggressive but too often he gets caught peeping in the backfield and being undisciplined, and he is just not that smooth of an athlete. I think he is a high-end #2 corner but not a true shutdown number 1 guys. Hargreaves is that guy. He would allow Colvin to move into the nickel full time and House to be that number 2 guy. As far as him not being a fit, that's BS to me. Colvin is around the same size as Hargreaves. Gratz is as well, just a little heavier maybe. Hargreaves is probably around 5'10'' 1/2 or so, the other guys are 5'11''. Our tallest corner is House at 6'0''. What matters more than size is whether the DB shows to be physical and aggressive in man and run support and Hargreaves is that. He's as good in run support as Colvin and Gratz while having 10x the coverage skills of the former and 100x the latter. 

 

Ramsey would probably be the more ideal pick for Gus and Dave because of his length and versatility, but I think we're out of where we would have a chance to pick him and in the sweet spot to pick Hargreaves who has better cover and ball skills as a corner.

 

As for why it matters to have a shutdown corner as opposed to just rolling with two solid guys in Colvin and House, I posit this, and this goes back into why I believe Dave will make this pick: What do most championship teams, and specifically dynasty teams, have in common in terms of their team makeup? They have a franchise left tackle, a franchise quarterback, an elite pass rusher, and finally, a shutdown corner. Looking at Dave's first 3 drafts, he's addressed 3 of the 4 with his first round pick. The only thing left is the shutdown corner and it is the perfect year to grab one and as of right now we are in perfect position to get one. All of Dave's first round picks have something in common: They player who play the position of one of the core 4 ingredients of a championship team and they are all from the south. Hargreaves fits that bill as well.

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I have been saying all year I want Vernon Hargreaves. He appeared to be MIA several times this season because quarterbacks knew he is a shutdown corner and threw at his teammate, Jalen Tabor.

 

Hargreaves also has been used as a kick returner, so we could try him on special teams. That can add to his value as a first round pick. But the best part is finally getting a real shutdown cornerback.

 

Which NFL cornerback would you compare him to?

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lol @ Alfie. Has he ever predicted a draft pick right?

 

I would be all for Hargreaves, and it makes a lot of sense for the reasons you listed. This defense desperately needs some playmakers on that side of the ball and he gives you that plus elite coverage skills. Also, that would allow Colvin to slide into the nickel spot where he seems to be a better fit. I do expect Hargreaves to measure a bit shorter and skinnier than his listed height/weight but I think the biggest thing for him will be his arm length. Gus has already said, it isn't so much their players height but their length. Let's also not forget that Gus fell in love with Jaylen Watkins at the senior bowl and wanted to bring in Walter Thurmond here; neither which are big corners.

 

Based on where I expect to be picking, Hargreaves would be an amazing pick and then pair that up with a big time FA FS and I will feel great about our secondary.

 

To answer JDub's question, I would compare him to Brent Grimes from the Dolphins. Similar body type, playmaking skills, and showed to have the toughness to come up for a tackle.

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Which NFL cornerback would you compare him to?

 

Justin Gilbert.

 

And you don't use first round CBs on Teams, that's what 5th round RBs are for.

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The secondary outside of a FS is not a need. If this team doesn't find a pass rush you could put Deion, Revis and Ronnie Lott back there and it wouldn't matter.

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Justin Gilbert.

 

And you don't use first round CBs on Teams, that's what 5th round RBs are for.

You're just being ignorant now.

 

The secondary outside of a FS is not a need. If this team doesn't find a pass rush you could put Deion, Revis and Ronnie Lott back there and it wouldn't matter.

It's not about it being a need, it's about putting an elite playmaker back there which it still doesn't have. We can go pass rush in the second round on top of Fowler coming back. There is not a pass rusher who is as elite as Hargreaves is at his position.

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lol @ Alfie. Has he ever predicted a draft pick right?

 

 

 

His prediction he made the year we picked Bortles was hilarious. I've told that story on here a few times.

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My hunch is that Caldwell picks the best available defensive player when we hit the clock.

A CB like Hargreaves might end up being the pick. So many unknowns right now though.

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His prediction he made the year we picked Bortles was hilarious. I've told that story on here a few times.

I love that story. It should seriously be a new tradition to have it posted every draft night.

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Personally, I'd rather have the kid from Houston and use the first-rounder to bolster the front seven a bit more.

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The secondary outside of a FS is not a need. If this team doesn't find a pass rush you could put Deion, Revis and Ronnie Lott back there and it wouldn't matter.

 

Not a need? Where on Earth have you been? LOL Hiding under a rock, apparently. Exactly how would it not make a difference if we had Darrelle Revis back there? We have no shutdown corners you would put in the same class as him and Ronnie Lott.

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This defence needs playmakers. It's not good enough to rule out any position. If Hargreaves is evaluated as a guy who can basically shut down half the field, then you take him. A guy like that makes everyone around him better. All of a sudden the FS even looks decent because he doesn't have to worry so much about one of the sidelines. 

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Not a need? Where on Earth have you been? LOL Hiding under a rock, apparently. Exactly how would it not make a difference if we had Darrelle Revis back there? We have no shutdown corners you would put in the same class as him and Ronnie Lott.

 

Any of our corners would be a better corner than Ronnie Lott.

 

It wouldn't make a difference because any NFL QB that has 10 seconds to find a receiver will, no matter how good the guy covering him is. Our CBs are not bad enough to warrant a homer reach pick like Hargreaves would be, that pick should go to the trenches.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Any of our corners would be a better corner than Ronnie Lott.


It wouldn't make a difference because any NFL QB that has 10 seconds to find a receiver will, no matter how good the guy covering him is. Our CBs are not bad enough to warrant a homer reach pick like Hargreaves would be, that pick should go to the trenches.

BAP over need, bud.

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Any of our corners would be a better corner than Ronnie Lott.

 

It wouldn't make a difference because any NFL QB that has 10 seconds to find a receiver will, no matter how good the guy covering him is. Our CBs are not bad enough to warrant a homer reach pick like Hargreaves would be, that pick should go to the trenches.

 

The only way Vernon Hargreaves can be a reach is if we trade up into the top 5. This guy is going to be a top 10 pick, count on it.

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BAP over need, bud.

 

Not with this GM. He's a needs only kinda guy.

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Not with this GM. He's a needs only kinda guy.

 

And CB is obviously a need.

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The only way Vernon Hargreaves can be a reach is if we trade up into the top 5. This guy is going to be a top 10 pick, count on it.

 

He might be, but CB is about 5th on our list of needs after DE, DT, FS and LB.

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He might be, but CB is about 5th on our list of needs after DE, DT, FS and LB.

 

Who said CB is the fifth most important need for us? Who said we have to draft in the order of our needs? Answers: NOBODY and NOBODY.

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CB is higher than DE and LB on our list of needs.

 

No it isn't. Aside from FS the front seven is the place of need.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato