Think about what you just wrote, right there.


You said that it would be disingenuous to say that the coaches didn't try different things, but then turned around and said getting consistent pressure from the front four was the main problem.


Now, I'm not saying we never blitzed. In fact we did blitz, on occasion. But here's the problem, as you and everyone else has identified, we couldn't get pressure rushing four. In no game that I watched did we bring pressure on every passing down.


So how can we say the coaches tried everything? Bringing an occasional blitz is not the same as planning a game where the entire game was designed to bring as much pressure as possible.


As far as marrone goes, I have a feeling he's gonna be here for the 2016 season...

I didn't say the coaches tried everything, I said the coaches tried all sorts of things which was the response to a poster claiming that the jags coaching staff didn't try to change anything which is patently false.

 

The fact that the front 4 couldn't get pressure doesn't mean the coaches didn't try different things. Heck, the 97 yard TD run by Mariota was caused by a stunt called by the coaches where the front 4 didn't get home and left the middle of the field wide open.

 

You can't blitz on every passing down. The problem with blitzing is that if the offense is able to pick it up, you leave your coverage short a player or two. If you try it too much you become predictable and an NFL offense will exploit you. That being said, there is no way you can say the amount of blitzing didn't increased in the second half of the season.

 

It seems like some of you have a hard time differentiating between plays not being called and plays that just weren't executed. The reality is that if you don't have players good enough to beat the other players, it doesn't matter what you call. This is the NFL and just like Chip Kelly learned, you aren't going to out scheme your opponents for very long. This is a players league. It is driven by the talent on the field.

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^ Pretty much. Scheme can only take you so far. Seattle can sit in a vanilla cover 3 just rushing 4 all day and hold it down because they have the talent to do so. Their players are smart enough and in sync with one another to the point where they just sit on the routes. If one guy misses a tackle there is always someone to clean it up.

 

I remember watching the game against the Vikings thinking how their run defense was on point. No one jumped out of position. They all just patiently waited in their gaps without getting over-excited and taking Peterson down like he was Trent Richardson.

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That being said, there is no way you can say the amount of blitzing didn't increased in the second half of the season.

 

You keep saying this, but I didn't see all that much difference, although I do agree that one is greater than zero. I did see more blitzing in the very last game, but the team had packed it in by then.


 

Here is something from PFF for 2014. That year the Jags were 32nd in blitz percentage. 32nd! Maybe they blitzed more this year, but I suspect they were still near the bottom.


 

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/20...-blitzing/

 

Do you have a link showing blitzes per game by the Jags?

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"Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"

Babich blitzed quite a bit towards the end out of desperation for his job. When we did we still got carved up. Please don't make me relive the Mariota TD run.

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Doesn't look like he's going anywhere else. All HC positions look to be filled. Not really surprised

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Doesn't look like he's going anywhere else. All HC positions look to be filled. Not really surprised

Same.

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"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."

Doesn't look like he's going anywhere else. All HC positions look to be filled. Not really surprised

Obviously the rest of the league are suckers who left us with this great head coaching prospect.

 

Signed,

Message board GMs

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Never really figured out what he did here anyway.

Why does an underachieving team need an assistant head coach?

 

Looks like anchor is right....he'll be here with Gus through next season. 

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Because Jaguars is our mantra 

Never really figured out what he did here anyway.

Why does an underachieving team need an assistant head coach?


Looks like anchor is right....he'll be here with Gus through next season.

How does the saying go?


Even the sun shines on a dog's butt once in a while

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Do you have a link showing blitzes per game by the Jags?

 

I remember reading in a few blog blurbs from O'Halloran and DiRocco that the number of blitzes was increasing in the latter third of the season. 

 

I think O'Halloran would list the number of blitzes and how many rushers were sent on them.  You may want to search through Monday postings in his blog. 

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Obviously the rest of the league are suckers who left us with this great head coaching prospect.

 

Signed,

Message board GMs

On the plus side, now he's got a year in our system and with these players, so when Gus gets fired midseason, Marrone will be even more ready to move his office down the hall!  :woot:

 

(dodges flames)

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Doesn't look like he's going anywhere else. All HC positions look to be filled. Not really surprised

So the usual suspects who were opining his pending departure can get back to hoping he winds up the interim here next year after being so coveted this off season.

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

So the usual suspects who were opining his pending departure can get back to hoping he winds up the interim here next year after being so coveted this off season.

If he's our head coach for 2017 something went terribly wrong.

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The thing is, I don't know that this is true. It simply can't. A quick eye-test tells us we went from a blitz-avert to blitz-heavy defense as the season went on. I don't think anyone will argue that point, right?

 

 

 

I remember reading in a few blog blurbs from O'Halloran and DiRocco that the number of blitzes was increasing in the latter third of the season. 

 

I think O'Halloran would list the number of blitzes and how many rushers were sent on them.  You may want to search through Monday postings in his blog. 

 

Ah, thanks. Here we go.


 

 

 

The Jaguars’ defense rushed at least five players on 183 of 687 drop-backs (26.6 percent, up from 12.9 percent last year). They blitzed on 24.2 percent of the drop-backs in the first eight games and 28.9 percent in the second eight games.

 

So 24.2% is "blitz-avert" and 28.9% is "blitz-heavy" ???


 

Nah! My quick eye test was right, not much difference. And it seemed they almost never blitzed on 3rd and 10 or more.


 

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"Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"

Ah, thanks. Here we go.


 

It may have been only a handful of games that they really tried it, but they did try for a while to send an extra guy a little more. I remember seeing/noticing a few more 5 man rushes on first down in at least two games.  (the fact that they were sending pressure on first instead of third made it stand out to me)

I also remember they didn't do it against Brees  - only blitzing him 5 times. 

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I didn't say the coaches tried everything, I said the coaches tried all sorts of things which was the response to a poster claiming that the jags coaching staff didn't try to change anything which is patently false.

 

The fact that the front 4 couldn't get pressure doesn't mean the coaches didn't try different things. Heck, the 97 yard TD run by Mariota was caused by a stunt called by the coaches where the front 4 didn't get home and left the middle of the field wide open.

 

You can't blitz on every passing down. The problem with blitzing is that if the offense is able to pick it up, you leave your coverage short a player or two. If you try it too much you become predictable and an NFL offense will exploit you. That being said, there is no way you can say the amount of blitzing didn't increased in the second half of the season.

 

It seems like some of you have a hard time differentiating between plays not being called and plays that just weren't executed.
The reality is that if you don't have players good enough to beat the other players, it doesn't matter what you call. This is the NFL and just like Chip Kelly learned, you aren't going to out scheme your opponents for very long. This is a players league. It is driven by the talent on the field.

This^ I agree with 100% Nice post

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Ah, thanks. Here we go.


 

 

So 24.2% is "blitz-avert" and 28.9% is "blitz-heavy" ???


 

Nah! My quick eye test was right, not much difference. And it seemed they almost never blitzed on 3rd and 10 or more.

Funny how you suddenly show up after this stat comes up, while ignoring what I initially posted oh when this whole discussion happened. Take the context in mind. Ryan O's stats is based on drop backs. 

 

E...very....drop....back

 

Meanwhile, the Texans had this to say when preparing for our Week 17 game 

 

“The pressure reduces in long yardage. Anything over 12 yards is 0%. On third-and-medium, it’s 70%,” Godsey says. “And they have changed completely from our first game as far as their philosophy on this down.”
 

 

http://www.si.com/nfl/2016/01/06/houston...l-playoffs

 

Unless you know, you're expecting this team to blitz on every single down...then uh, I don't know what to tell you. But I think the Texan's stats is more relevant to the discussion. 

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Funny how you suddenly show up after this stat comes up, while ignoring what I initially posted oh when this whole discussion happened. 

 
I asked for a link. I came back when I got one (actually just a reference but I tracked it down). Were you expecting me to comment about posts that didn't exist?

 

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Funny how you suddenly show up after this stat comes up, while ignoring what I initially posted oh when this whole discussion happened. Take the context in mind. Ryan O's stats is based on drop backs. 

 

E...very....drop....back

 

Meanwhile, the Texans had this to say when preparing for our Week 17 game 

 

 

http://www.si.com/nfl/2016/01/06/houston...l-playoffs

 

Unless you know, you're expecting this team to blitz on every single down...then uh, I don't know what to tell you. But I think the Texan's stats is more relevant to the discussion. 


 

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And NOW you provide a link. Well better late than never.

 
Ryan O breaks it up into first-half and 2nd half of the season, so I thought that was very relevant to the claim that the Jags stepped up the blitz significantly in the second half of the season. They didn't, which was what I thought I saw. The less than 5% difference between the two is what one would expect from just random fluctuations. And this also ignores the Jags blitzing most against a fast running QB, the last person you should do that against. With a running QB, contain is more important. Face it, a weak roster or not, the defensive play calling was a huge problem.


BTW, your quote that the Jags blitzed 0% on 3rd and 12 or more also agrees with what I have been saying. I'm amazed that posters seem to disagree with me yet keep posting links that support my point.

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"Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"

We played journeyman, backups and rookies and how hard did we work to "confuse" the opponent?

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