It would be interesting for someone to do a bit of research to compare Greg McElroy to McCarron. Same system, similar numbers...what separates McElroy (career backup) from McCarron (potential franchise QB)?

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It would be interesting for someone to do a bit of research to compare Greg McElroy to McCarron. Same system, similar numbers...what separates McElroy (career backup) from McCarron (potential franchise QB)?

 

McCarron has a better arm and noticeably better size. Almost all of the buzzwords being thrown around in support of McCarron were used for McElroy three years ago, though -- smart, leadership, winner, etc. Anyone who leads a perennial powerhouse for multiple years is going to get that treatment; I'm sure Ken Dorsey had his fair share of supporters back in the day.

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McCarron has a better arm and noticeably better size. Almost all of the buzzwords being thrown around in support of McCarron were used for McElroy three years ago, though -- smart, leadership, winner, etc. Anyone who leads a perennial powerhouse for multiple years is going to get that treatment; I'm sure Ken Dorsey had his fair share of supporters back in the day.

 

Colt McCoy too.

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McCarron has a better arm and noticeably better size. Almost all of the buzzwords being thrown around in support of McCarron were used for McElroy three years ago, though -- smart, leadership, winner, etc. Anyone who leads a perennial powerhouse for multiple years is going to get that treatment; I'm sure Ken Dorsey had his fair share of supporters back in the day.

That's exactly it.  Without really understand what's going on during draft process, we -- fans and media alike -- always get caught up in the moment when certain prospects intrigue us, especially the QB position. 

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Back in 2000 the media, fans and pundits thought they ALL had the best QB sorted out.

think about this a minute...

• Chad Pennington - Round 1, Pick 18

• Giovanni Carmazzi - Round 3, Pick 65

• Chris Redman - Round 3, Pick 75

• Tee Martin - Round 5, Pick 163

• Marc Bulger - Round 6, Pick 168

• Spergon Wynn  - Round 6, Pick 183

• Tom Brady - Round 6, Pick 199

 

Its not where you draft , but who. :yes:

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Back in 2000 the media, fans and pundits thought they ALL had the best QB sorted out.

think about this a minute...

• Chad Pennington - Round 1, Pick 18

• Giovanni Carmazzi - Round 3, Pick 65

• Chris Redman - Round 3, Pick 75

• Tee Martin - Round 5, Pick 163

• Marc Bulger - Round 6, Pick 168

• Spergon Wynn  - Round 6, Pick 183

• Tom Brady - Round 6, Pick 199

 

Its not where you draft , but who. :yes:

 

Quick!  Name two other QB's since 1980 that have had good careers that were drafted in the 6th round.

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I was wrong about Trent Baalke. 

I want no part of McCarron. He's Andy Dalton to me. Good enough if he's surrounded by talent, but not good enough to make the talent around him better, IMO.

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Back in 2000 the media, fans and pundits thought they ALL had the best QB sorted out.

think about this a minute...

• Chad Pennington - Round 1, Pick 18

• Giovanni Carmazzi - Round 3, Pick 65

• Chris Redman - Round 3, Pick 75

• Tee Martin - Round 5, Pick 163

• Marc Bulger - Round 6, Pick 168

• Spergon Wynn  - Round 6, Pick 183

• Tom Brady - Round 6, Pick 199

 

Its not where you draft , but who. :yes:

 

But in reality, it's mostly where you draft.

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I want no part of McCarron. He's Andy Dalton to me. Good enough if he's surrounded by talent, but not good enough to make the talent around him better, IMO.

Little bit bigger, lot less athletic...but yes they are both QB purgatory team captains.

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Quick!  Name two other QB's since 1980 that have had good careers that were drafted in the 6th round.

 

 That's a good question to ponder.  At this time, the only one I can think of is Marc Bulger, who didn't even have a good career until he ended up with Mike Martz and the St. Louis Rams.

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I should have immediately realized there was another QB from the 6th Round who I would classify as having a pretty good career:  former Lions QB Rodney Peete who was in the same draft class as Barry Sanders.  Unfortunately,  Peete often was injured.   Ironically,  Peete's worst game was one in which Barry Sanders was sidelined with an injury,  which was an exception to the rule in Barry's 10 year career.   The ironic part of the equation relates to the Jaguars,  as future Jaguars HC JDR had 3 interceptions in that game.  Peete was benched after that game and never played another game for the Lions.

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Quick!  Name two other QB's since 1980 that have had good careers that were drafted in the 6th round.

 

I can name two undrafted guys that have had good careers since 1980.  But just for fun, here's one off the top of my head:

 

Former SB MVP Mark Rypien (6th)

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I agree that he is Brady as a draft prospect in that he should get a 6th round grade.

You continue to show your brilliance!!!

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Little bit bigger, lot less athletic...but yes they are both QB purgatory team captains.

Yet again!!! The fact yoiu state "less athletic" proves you are not watching the games, but just trying to downgrade every other prospect you dont have a big enough crush on to put on a train!

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I want no part of McCarron. He's Andy Dalton to me. Good enough if he's surrounded by talent, but not good enough to make the talent around him better, IMO.

Go back and watch the 2012 championship game, before making stupid posts

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Little bit bigger, lot less athletic...but yes they are both QB purgatory team captains.

Speaking of stupid posts, its the choo choo train guy again.

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I have to disagree with you on the gifted asset comment.  I think a guy that can read and process a defense quickly and accurately can overcome arm strength.  Gabbert has a cannon but the game appears to be to fast for him to process.  Give me a guy with a brain and a decent arm over a guy with a cannon and average football IQ.

There's a big difference between your theory and reality. McCarron hasn't played a single down of NFL football. 

 

I think McCarron's last series against Auburn speaks for itself, a throw out of bounds and two runs. That's not showing a lot of faith in such an accomplished QB.

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First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. - Mahatma Gandhi

 

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Speaking of stupid posts, its the choo choo train guy again.

Ok, we get it by now. You stalk people on here in defense of your man crush. I'm sorry the truth is so offensive to you. 

 

And to let you know, I would be very happy with Carr or Teddy...or Bortles if he declares. Keep me far away from QB purgatory though. If Dave insists on a second mid round QB as a developmental backup or god forbid because he passed on a first round QB then I want Brett Smith, Garoppolo, or Fales.

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Little bit bigger, lot less athletic...but yes they are both QB purgatory team captains.

Wasn't comparing them as prospects, but rather just as a ceiling. McCarron is very similar to Dalton, but just a little bit bigger.

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I can name two undrafted guys that have had good careers since 1980.  But just for fun, here's one off the top of my head:

 

Former SB MVP Mark Rypien (6th)

 

That's great, but the idea is: finding those guys is like finding a needle in a stack of needles.  Expecting that of a GM is expecting too much.  Chances are your QB is going to come from the first three rounds.  Many of which will never be considered True Franchise Guys.  You can find guys like Rypien and Brady in the 6th.  But they were that needle in a stack of needles.  

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I was wrong about Trent Baalke.