These two are....interesting. Fowler looked explosive in games, but he only has one explosive trait which was the split (which was off the charts). His jumps weren't special though.

 

Bosa didn't look all that explosive in games, but his split is OK and his jump was better than Fowler. His cod was better too (something very few expected). And watching Bosa do his drills, you definitely see how smooth he is.

Bosa's cod was better as he simply used a scampi sauce in his preparation.  Fowler, on the other hand, used an off-the-shelf blackened seasoning that was too spicy for the white flaky cod that got over-powered.  

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Bosa's cod was better as he simply used a scampi sauce in his preparation. Fowler, on the other hand, used an off-the-shelf blackened seasoning that was too spicy for the white flaky cod that got over-powered.

Good analysis and awareness on the delicacies of fish.

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Coughlin when asked if winning will be a focus: "What the hell else is there? This is nice and dandy, but winning is what all this is about."

Good analysis and awareness on the delicacies of fish.

 

Please, don't ever combine the terms "delicacy" and "cod" together. It's just not right.

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I'm trying to make myself more informed and less opinionated.

Stop saying whatever stupid thing you're talking about and pay attention to all the interesting things I have to say!

I don't mean Bosa literally does his drills twice as fast, but Lawson is 80th percentile, Bosa is 70th percentile, and Fowler was I believe a 30th percentile athlete. Whatever words you want to quantify that gap, it's quite significant.


It's also notable that the gap is really even bigger than that. Bosa's percentile is dragged down by his average performance in the completely useless 40 yard dash, and Fowler's is propped up because his completely useless 40 yard dash was his only standout drill. In the drills that matter for an EDGE (3 cone, broad jump, vertical jump, and short shuttle...3 cone being the single most important by far), Bosa is probably above an 80th percentile athlete and Fowler is probably around 20th.


Does it guarantee that Bosa is going to be a better player? No, and I never said that either. But it sure as heck means there's a much greater chance that he will be, and playing the percentages is all you are doing in the draft anyway.

Where are you getting these percentiles from?

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Where are you getting these percentiles from?

 

To quote Clark Griswold, "bend over and I'll show you"

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To quote Clark Griswold, "bend over and I'll show you"

You have a lot of nerve talking to me like that.

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Sorry but Bosa is like twice the athlete Fowler is (but omg 40 yard dash!). It's pretty much the exact opposite of this haha.

Can I look at the 10 yard split instead then?

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"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."

Can I look at the 10 yard split instead then?

It's better than a 40 yard dash of course, but it's still less important than the 3 cone, broad, vertical, and shuttles. It's on the lesser end with bench press.

 

And to answer whoever it was asking about where to get these percentiles, pSPARQ, and zscores it's on Zach Whitman's 3 sigma site. 

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Alualu was one of the most impressive 5 tech athletes ever. Off the charts jumps. Always gonna have that what if he didn't do the oklahoma drill question mark, cause he absolutely could have been special.

I don't know about special ,maybe a better backup. What actually is a force player?

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I don't know about special ,maybe a better backup. What actually is a force player?

http://playmakermentality.com/what-is-a-force-player

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It's better than a 40 yard dash of course, but it's still less important than the 3 cone, broad, vertical, and shuttles. It's on the lesser end with bench press.

 

Where does "how well a prospect plays football" rank with all of these other more important metrics?

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I came across a couple articles I thought were interesting while looking into Bosa and would be interested how other people feel about it.

 

http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2016/story/_...t-top-pick

 

"But he feels too small to be a straight-up pass rusher in a 3-4 and a tick too slow (his 4.86-second 40-yard dash was 14th among D-linemen at the combine) to be a big-game hunter at outside linebacker. "You gotta put him in a 4-3 as a base pass rusher," says an NFL scout. "In the right scheme, he doesn't need off-the-line speed. He needs room to get running. Once he does, he's plenty fast enough."

 

"Scouts brood over a heavy first step but brag on his waist-up technique, especially a punch-and-pull move that keeps tackles guessing, but only when he's also engaged from the neck up. In college he would lazily lean on the simplest of football physics: I'm bigger and stronger, so I'm just gonna push you down now. That won't work on Sundays."

 

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2016/2/25/11...-breakdown

 

"I have no idea how Bosa will test at the combine, but if you put a gun to my head I'd predict he will do well. I say that because you can tell this is a guy who has drilled technique in <i>everything</i> he has done for football for a long, long time. Whatever 40 time he runs or however high he jumps you can just about guaran-damn-tee that it will be the best Bosa could have possibly done. The problem is that numbers by themselves don't really tell me whether you are "football athletic." The film may fool you on some things, but in general a guy's athleticism, or lack thereof, shines through."

 

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...g-methods/

 

“I think that’s a huge mistake that a lot of those players make, but I’m sure they have their reasons for doing it,” Belichick said. “We’re training our players to play football, not to go through a bunch of those February drills"

 

"train more for football and train less for the broad jump and three-cone drill and stuff like that"

 

 

I find the following website useful to look at game tape for each player because it shows every snap instead of highlights.

 

http://draftbreakdown.com/players/dante-fowler-jr/

 

http://draftbreakdown.com/players/joey-bosa/

 

http://draftbreakdown.com/players/myles-jack/

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Where does "how well a prospect plays football" rank with all of these other more important metrics?

It's part of the process. Ignoring any of it gives an incomplete puzzle. Fowler's "how well does he play football" isn't on par with Bosa's either, however. 

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<a class="bbc_url" href='http://playmakermentality.com/what-is-a-force-player'>http://playmakermentality.com/what-is-a-force-player</a>

1) Is it possible to see where he names his force players before they are drafted? Like his lists in 2005,2006,2007,2008 or are they named after they've played a few years?


2) Why doesn't he give the formula out?

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How update are these SPARQ numbers? I thought that was a high school thing? Do they update the SPARQ with combine numbers or something?

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Please, don't ever combine the terms "delicacy" and "cod" together. It's just not right.

I didn't.

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Coughlin when asked if winning will be a focus: "What the hell else is there? This is nice and dandy, but winning is what all this is about."

How update are these SPARQ numbers? I thought that was a high school thing? Do they update the SPARQ with combine numbers or something?

It's all a big joke anyway. Tyson alualu, force player. That's all.

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Coughlin when asked if winning will be a focus: "What the hell else is there? This is nice and dandy, but winning is what all this is about."

1) Is it possible to see where he names his force players before they are drafted? Like his lists in 2005,2006,2007,2008 or are they named after they've played a few years?


2) Why doesn't he give the formula out?

1. He has the force players for 2016 listed at the top of the page. Shaq Lawson is the only one this year, it's a down year for dline athleticism.

 

2. It's like why KFC or coca cola have their secret ingredients. FP is Justis' secret sauce. He does share it to NFL teams, also. He said he gave it to Tony Khan at the senior bowl this year. 

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How update are these SPARQ numbers? I thought that was a high school thing? Do they update the SPARQ with combine numbers or something?

The Nike SPARQ is a hidden proprietary formula. The other sites that use SPARQ (3 sigma calls theirs zSPARQ, player profiler calls theirs SPARQx for example) scores use almost identical backwards engineered formulas and they are used off of combine and pro day numbers, whichever are better. 

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1. He has the force players for 2016 listed at the top of the page. Shaq Lawson is the only one this year, it's a down year for dline athleticism.


2. It's like why KFC or coca cola have their secret ingredients. FP is Justis' secret sauce. He does share it to NFL teams, also. He said he gave it to Tony Khan at the senior bowl this year.

But where are all his force players for the previous classes before they were drafted?? It seems like he's making them force players after they've played a few years in the league.

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