http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2016jbosa.php

 

Walter Football compares him to Ryan Kerrigan which isn't that bad either.. watch the video at the bottom... could you imagine a guy that can totally change a game by getting to the QB on 3rd downs?

Who knows even if Fowler Jr is healthy he might get suspended, and the team needs a real edge pass rusher....

You know how Allen Robinson/Hurns broke records last season.. and people were like finally Jacksonville has WRs because for 10 years they werent even getting over 1,000 yards...

well the same thing with pass rush.. the team hasn't had a player get over 10 sacks in a year (which most teams in the NFL have) in over 10 years..

Joey Bosa could be that guy (even if he doesnt do it in his rookie year, he might in his 2nd)...

 

If he has the exact same production as Ryan Kerrigan over the first 5 years of his career, then assuming Bosa's career doesn't abruptly end after the 5th season, he'd be well worth the pick. 80 games played, 80 starts, 47.5 sacks, 17 FF's, 2 defensive TD's - I'd take that. 

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When was the last time he was mocked #1 overall?

 

I wouldn't say he's the most underrated player in the draft.  Him and Buckner are pretty close to each other.  IMO, both guys are geared to play 3-4 DE or a 5-tech position and I don't know anyone that's saying there's anyone else rated higher than them at those spots.  I'd argue that for a LEO/Edge there are better guys, but I don't think that's underrating Bosa.

How do you figure Bosa and Buckner are alike and Bosa is geared to play 3-4 end or 5 tech?  Bosa played in a 4-3 in college and lined up at the 6 or 7 tech just outside of the tackle most of the time.  Bosa also weighs 269.  What other 3-4 DE weigh under 270?

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I think the biggest knock on Bosa people have with him is that he isn't your typical speed RDE that will rack up 15+ sacks a year. He'd be a perfect LDE though in a tradional 4-3 scheme because much of his game is predicated on power, hustle, and out muscling the guy in front of him. He'll be a annual 8+ sack a year guy and not that there's anything wrong with that (Lord knows we could sure use 8+ sacks a year from 1 player) but teams usually look for more "boom" out of their top 5 picks.


Who knows maybe he'll be the 15+ sack a year guy but just based on what I've seen his play style and ability will hinder him getting to that "elite" tier.

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"Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot."

How do you figure Bosa and Buckner are alike and Bosa is geared to play 3-4 end or 5 tech?  Bosa played in a 4-3 in college and lined up at the 6 or 7 tech just outside of the tackle most of the time.  Bosa also weighs 269.  What other 3-4 DE weigh under 270?

Bosa played around 280 in college, so it just really depends who drafts him and how they see him fitting into their defense.  Like most people, he trimmed down for the combine so he'd do better at the drills.


I see them having the same strengths where they are really strong and great against the run, but aren't going to be that edge rusher to get you double digit sacks every year.

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I just dont really like his character. Hes from Florida and doesnt know where Jax is. He looks like a bad dude, he is a horrible speaker. He played under Urban Meyer which doesnt exactly produce good people. Character plays a huge role and I have to say I dont like it at all.

these are some weak character flaws i hope you have no plans to become a gm

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I think the biggest knock on Bosa people have with him is that he isn't your typical speed RDE that will rack up 15+ sacks a year. He'd be a perfect LDE though in a tradional 4-3 scheme because much of his game is predicated on power, hustle, and out muscling the guy in front of him. He'll be a annual 8+ sack a year guy and not that there's anything wrong with that (Lord knows we could sure use 8+ sacks a year from 1 player) but teams usually look for more "boom" out of their top 5 picks.


Who knows maybe he'll be the 15+ sack a year guy but just based on what I've seen his play style and ability will hinder him getting to that "elite" tier.

 

My thing with Bosa is that he's a really good technician as a rusher, but the instant the OT forces him off-script, he looks lost and has no way to counter. He's my third-best edge guy in this draft behind Spence/Lawson and I have him far ahead of Leonard Floyd(if you throw him in this group).

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My thing with Bosa is that he's a really good technician as a rusher, but the instant the OT forces him off-script, he looks lost and has no way to counter. He's my third-best edge guy in this draft behind Spence/Lawson and I have him far ahead of Leonard Floyd(if you throw him in this group).

That's about where I have Bosa as an edge rusher also.

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The most underrated player in this draft is Vernon Hargreaves

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Still the most overrated

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"Get Better Everyday"

He's going top 6 and he's underrated?

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He's going top 6 and he's underrated?

He's the Leonard Williams of this draft.

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He's going top 6 and he's underrated?

he will go top 5!

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He's the Leonard Williams of this draft.

Yep extremely similar.

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I think Bosa would be the best pick for us.

 

Jack could be, but I just don't want another player with a knee injury coming to town.  Also, I think Bosa plays the more premium position so I would go with him.

 

Boss is big, athletic (more athletic than Spence, for example), and productive.  He's violent and destroys the opposing ball carrier.

 

Ramsey is a great prospect, but even as an FSU fan - his production is worrisome.  He is best utilized as a blitzer IMO.... and we have a good blitzed in Colvin.

 

If we're going pure CB, I would rather just draft VH3.

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I think Bosa would be the best pick for us.

 

Jack could be, but I just don't want another player with a knee injury coming to town.  Also, I think Bosa plays the more premium position so I would go with him.

 

Boss is big, athletic (more athletic than Spence, for example), and productive.  He's violent and destroys the opposing ball carrier.

 

Ramsey is a great prospect, but even as an FSU fan - his production is worrisome.  He is best utilized as a blitzer IMO.... and we have a good blitzed in Colvin.

 

If we're going pure CB, I would rather just draft VH3.

There are compelling arguments for Bosa to be the pick at 5 if he is on the board.

 

But about Ramsey, do you see him more as a CB or a S?  If a S, do you think he could be an in the box S, replacing Cyprien?

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

There are compelling arguments for Bosa to be the pick at 5 if he is on the board.

 

But about Ramsey, do you see him more as a CB or a S?  If a S, do you think he could be an in the box S, replacing Cyprien?

 

He could - but I think that would waste his most impressive attributes - his speed/length.

 

I think he would make a good corner and a good FS... he has the physical attributes to become a dominant corner.  I just didn't see it at FSU with the consistency I would have liked.  I realize they are all projects and you won't get consistency, but that's just how I feel.

 

I would go with Bosa as 1.

 

Ramsey as 2 (just slightly behind Bosa).

 

Jack i'm not even sure.  I like him - but the knee scares me.

 

To answer your question - I think Ramsey could replace Cyprien easily and he would be a better player, but I wouldn't put an athlete like that in the box, fighting against fullbacks and tackling RBs all day long.

 

I would put him against AJ Green and let him cover him.

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I see no real reason to be scared of Jack's knee.  It's not like he had the same injury as Jaylon Smith.  The injury was fairly minor and by all accounts he has looked good.  There hasn't been any creditable sources coming out with anything to contradict that; it's all been rumors.

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Speed Rush is not the only way to get to a qb. He does possess this skill thought. Bosa will be a good player

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There are compelling arguments for Bosa to be the pick at 5 if he is on the board.


But about Ramsey, do you see him more as a CB or a S? If a S, do you think he could be an in the box S, replacing Cyprien?

He's a strong safety. Think Troy Polamalu with stone hands.

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He could - but I think that would waste his most impressive attributes - his speed/length.


I think he would make a good corner and a good FS... he has the physical attributes to become a dominant corner. I just didn't see it at FSU with the consistency I would have liked. I realize they are all projects and you won't get consistency, but that's just how I feel.


I would go with Bosa as 1.


Ramsey as 2 (just slightly behind Bosa).


Jack i'm not even sure. I like him - but the knee scares me.


To answer your question - I think Ramsey could replace Cyprien easily and he would be a better player, but I wouldn't put an athlete like that in the box, fighting against fullbacks and tackling RBs all day long.


I would put him against AJ Green and let him cover him.

Green would eat him up.

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