Do you have any concerns that go beyond your personal level of comfort regarding how someone else lives their life?

Another mischarecterization. I don't care what anyone does on there own time. When it introduces the posdibility, however improbable you may deem, to compromise my wife's safety or privacy then it is a legitimate concern.

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How do you stop a big dude hiding in the bathroom when nobody's around?

 

Making it legal doesn't help...

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They listed specific instances of men dressed as women claiming transgender status to violate women's privacy. That's not right wing, that's reality and rather predictable reality. If you are so naive as to think that everyone walking into a woman's room dressed as a woman is a.) pure as the driven snow or b.) a legitimate trans person then you have once again demonstrated you don't have enough maturity to participate in this conversation.

They listed 25 instances of straight guys doing things in bathrooms (almost all instances involving voyeurism). I believe 1 instance was a documented sexual predator who dressed as a woman.


If you can't even read the link you're referencing to support your argument, maybe you're the one not equipped to participate in this conversation.


To clarify, no incidents of actual trans people attacking or filming women or kids in bathrooms. And a note: trans people are usually very cautious of going to public bathrooms for fear the person in there will attack them or bully them verbally.

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Only a chump boos the home team!

Another mischarecterization. I don't care what anyone does on there own time. When it introduces the posdibility, however improbable you may deem, to compromise my wife's safety or privacy then it is a legitimate concern.

So.. you're not afraid of bad people lying in wait in bathrooms to attack loved ones in general. You're afraid people will dress as women as a ruse to attack loved ones in bathrooms. And you cited 1 instance. So every trans person on the planet should just hold it or go in the bushes because this is a rational fear in your paranoid mind. This just proves you are eating up all the manure they're pumping.

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Only a chump boos the home team!

You admit to being less than comfortable around or about transgender people in general and have still cited no specific concerns which impact the general public at all.

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Only a chump boos the home team!

No one is saying they have to hold it or go in the bushes....they should just use the restroom designated for the plumbing they currently have, not for the plumbing they feel like they should have been born with.

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We learned in the Sunday School who made the sun shine through.  I know who made the moonshine too, back where I come from.

No one is saying they have to hold it or go in the bushes....they should just use the restroom designated for the plumbing they currently have, not for the plumbing they feel like they should have been born with.

So you negate the legitimacy of what it means to be transgender? Because you lack understanding or compassion, you would force a woman born with male parts to go into the men's room in heels and a dress. You don't see how that puts a transgender person in a dangerous position? Or you just don't care? What if they got rid of the equipment?

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Only a chump boos the home team!

So you negate the legitimacy of what it means to be transgender? Because you lack understanding or compassion, you would force a woman born with male parts to go into the men's room in heels and a dress. You don't see how that puts a transgender person in a dangerous position? Or you just don't care? What if they got rid of the equipment?

I honestly just don't care.  We all deal with inconveniences.  The world isn't always going to cater to our every desire.

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We learned in the Sunday School who made the sun shine through.  I know who made the moonshine too, back where I come from.

No one is saying they have to hold it or go in the bushes....they should just use the restroom designated for the plumbing they currently have, not for the plumbing they feel like they should have been born with.

 

And we've already discussed the problem with this in detail.

 

What about women who are uncomfortable seeing a trans-male (A biological female born with lady parts, but transitioned into a male) in the ladies room?

What about men who are uncomfortable seeing a trans-female (A biological male born with man parts but transitioned into a female) in the men's room?


My daughters would be far more confused by seeing a trans-male in the bathroom than they would from a trans-female.  And I'd be worried that some man would pretend to have been born with lady parts and walk into the women's room to hurt my daughters.  Apparently this concern is overlooked for some reason.  Some might say "Oh, make trans people use the family restroom".  Yeah, cause we know all places have them.  In fact I'm FAR more worried about that happening, than I would be someone dressing up as a woman to get to my daughters.  

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I was wrong about Trent Baalke. 

And we've already discussed the problem with this in detail.

 

What about women who are uncomfortable seeing a trans-male (A biological female born with lady parts, but transitioned into a male) in the ladies room?

What about men who are uncomfortable seeing a trans-female (A biological male born with man parts but transitioned into a female) in the men's room?


My daughters would be far more confused by seeing a trans-male in the bathroom than they would from a trans-female.  And I'd be worried that some man would pretend to have been born with lady parts and walk into the women's room to hurt my daughters.  Apparently this concern is overlooked for some reason.  Some might say "Oh, make trans people use the family restroom".  Yeah, cause we know all places have them.  In fact I'm FAR more worried about that happening, than I would be someone dressing up as a woman to get to my daughters.  

Hey if the guy wants to fully commit and have his pecker removed, I'm probably OK with him using the ladies' room.  Maybe we should just rename the restrooms...Penises and Vaginas instead of Men and Women.

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We learned in the Sunday School who made the sun shine through.  I know who made the moonshine too, back where I come from.

I honestly just don't care. We all deal with inconveniences. The world isn't always going to cater to our every desire.

If you don't care, then why relegate trans people to a bathroom they're not comfortable using? The world doesn't have the capacity to cater to every one's desire. But somewhere facts need to come into play. Trans people (especially black ones) are attacked and murdered at an alarming rate -- for being themselves. The fact is changes in laws or public opinion is because people are starting to realize this is a victimized group. If they are not a threat to anyone, why force draconian laws or defend arguments which will put them more at risk than they already are?


I'm not saying everyone needs to like them or support them. If you don't get why someone is trans or it weirds you out, that's fine. But if you're going to discriminate against them and use manure arguments to support your position, that's unacceptable. Look at the facts of the debate and ask yourself what impact it really has on your life. I'm guessing none whatsoever.

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If you don't care, then why relegate trans people to a bathroom they're not comfortable using? The world doesn't have the capacity to cater to every one's desire. But somewhere facts need to come into play. Trans people (especially black ones) are attacked and murdered at an alarming rate -- for being themselves. The fact is changes in laws or public opinion is because people are starting to realize this is a victimized group. If they are not a threat to anyone, why force draconian laws or defend arguments which will put them more at risk than they already are?


I'm not saying everyone needs to like them or support them. If you don't get why someone is trans or it weirds you out, that's fine. But if you're going to discriminate against them and use manure arguments to support your position, that's unacceptable. Look at the facts of the debate and ask yourself what impact it really has on your life. I'm guessing none whatsoever.

Guess I should have been more clear.  I honestly just don't care about their feelings.  I don't want women in the restroom with me and my wife doesn't want men in the restroom with her.  What about our rights?

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We learned in the Sunday School who made the sun shine through.  I know who made the moonshine too, back where I come from.

Guess I should have been more clear. I honestly just don't care about their feelings. I don't want women in the restroom with me and my wife doesn't want men in the restroom with her. What about our rights?

At least you're honest about being an unsympathetic Richard. Or at the very least someone who doesn't understand what transgender means. I don't know what rights you are losing in this though. You are violated because the dude in the stall next to you dropping a deuce was born with lady parts? I repeat. This has no impact on you whatsoever. This is about peeing and pooping. Nothing else. Do you go to the bathroom for any other reason? When you go, do you really spend any amount of time thinking about who else is in there with you? Or is the ultimate goal to void waste? How does this violate your rights? You can still take a whizz or dump right? Where is the offense? What's the crime? Is it anywhere but your own mind?

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Only a chump boos the home team!

Hey if the guy wants to fully commit and have his pecker removed, I'm probably OK with him using the ladies' room.  Maybe we should just rename the restrooms...Penises and Vaginas instead of Men and Women.

He doesn't have to have it removed.  If you require people to use the bathroom of their biological sex, then it's easy for a man to claim he's a trans-male.  Especially when you have trans-males who have facial hair and whom most people wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

 

The law is unnecessary.  It's already illegal to harass someone in the bathroom.  Just like it's already illegal to molest people in the bathroom. You're not making it harder for anyone with this law.  Even with the law, someone can dress up like a woman and go into the restroom, and commit illegal acts.  Most criminals intend on not getting caught.  Punishment is not a good deterrent.  We lock people up to rehabilitate them until they're ready to re-enter society.  Is a trans-woman who goes into the ladies room to use the bathroom really considered a threat to society?  Is a trans-man who goes into the men's room to use the bathroom really considered a threat to society?  

 

Laws do not prevent crime.  They only define what actions are crimes.  

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I was wrong about Trent Baalke. 

At least you're honest about being an unsympathetic Richard. Or at the very least someone who doesn't understand what transgender means. I don't know what rights you are losing in this though. You are violated because the dude in the stall next to you dropping a deuce was born with lady parts? I repeat. This has no impact on you whatsoever. This is about peeing and pooping. Nothing else. Do you go to the bathroom for any other reason? When you go, do you really spend any amount of time thinking about who else is in there with you? Or is the ultimate goal to void waste? How does this violate your rights? You can still take a whizz or dump right? Where is the offense? What's the crime? Is it anywhere but your own mind?

And what impact does it have on them making them use the correct restroom?  Zero other than their feelings.  And you're suggesting their feelings are more important than mine.  F that.

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We learned in the Sunday School who made the sun shine through.  I know who made the moonshine too, back where I come from.

And what impact does it have on them making them use the correct restroom? Zero other than their feelings. And you're suggesting their feelings are more important than mine. F that.

What impact? Well.. almost 70 percent of trans people report having been discriminated against in bathrooms. And almost 10% report having been physically attacked. So the impact is not zero. It may not be yours, but there is a safety hazard at play here.


If allowing someone born female to take a dump next to you is going to have such an impact on your feelings, you are a fragile individual.


Don't get it twisted. This entire discussion is about #1 and #2. That's it. (And I guess now.. your feelings.)

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Still waiting for legitimate concerns about how people going to the bathroom constitutes a safety risk. Butthurt feelings is not a legitimate concern.

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Only a chump boos the home team!

They listed 25 instances of straight guys doing things in bathrooms (almost all instances involving voyeurism). I believe 1 instance was a documented sexual predator who dressed as a woman.


If you can't even read the link you're referencing to support your argument, maybe you're the one not equipped to participate in this conversation.


To clarify, no incidents of actual trans people attacking or filming women or kids in bathrooms. And a note: trans people are usually very cautious of going to public bathrooms for fear the person in there will attack them or bully them verbally.

Lol. Liberals always think life happens in a vacuum.

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There are also women and men who are uncomfortable with the new law that aren't trans.  As my wife said:


"If a trans-woman uses the bathroom, chances are I'm not going to know she's transgender.  It's not going to bother me.  I've probably used the bathroom with trans-women before.  If a trans-man uses the women's room, then I'm going to be concerned.  Is she really a trans-male?  Or if he pretending to be trans-male?"


So "F" your feelings tbqh.

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I was wrong about Trent Baalke. 

Still waiting for legitimate concerns about how people going to the bathroom constitutes a safety risk. Butthurt feelings is not a legitimate concern.

So now you get to decide what constitutes a legitimate concern.  Great.

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We learned in the Sunday School who made the sun shine through.  I know who made the moonshine too, back where I come from.