No not really. That's non contradictory and its easily verifiable. Your position that every person that uses trans status to enter a woman's bathroom will be a bonofide trans person only attracted to men is absurd given the facts presented.

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No not really. That's non contradictory and its easily verifiable. Your position that every person that uses trans status to enter a woman's bathroom will be a bonofide trans person only attracted to men is absurd given the facts presented.

 

I must have missed this statement...where did he say this exactly?

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<i>Behold man's final mad disgrace.</i>

<i>He chops his nose to spite his face.</i>

 

-Etrigan the Demon

 

No not really. That's non contradictory and its easily verifiable. Your position that every person that uses trans status to enter a woman's bathroom will be a bonofide trans person only attracted to men is absurd given the facts presented.

And your position is no straight male ever entered a woman's bathroom with bad intentions before the trans bathroom debate came about. Your position is that legions of straight guys with bad intentions are going to attack your loved ones in bathrooms because of this. Your position has ONE example of this actually being attempted. Your position rejects data from 21 states and 250+ cities which says there is NO EVIDENCE of any uptick in criminal activity of this nature whatsoever. And, of course, your position states a man would identify as a woman and dress as a woman, just so she could become a lesbian. You draw this line in the sand admitting you don't know any actual transgender people and reject anything I say because my perspective is tainted by real world accounts and indisputable facts.


Tell me where any of this is inaccurate.

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And your position is no straight male ever entered a woman's bathroom with bad intentions before the trans bathroom debate came about. 

 

My position is that allowing TG persons to enter the anatomically incorrect restrooms, locker room, gyms, etc. makes it more difficult to weed out the perpetrators and compromises the physical privacy and security of the vast majority of people using them. It's about not making it easier for bad people to do bad things. That's all.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

My position is that allowing TG persons to enter the anatomically incorrect restrooms, locker room, gyms, etc. makes it more difficult to weed out the perpetrators and compromises the physical privacy and security of the vast majority of people using them. It's about not making it easier for bad people to do bad things. That's all.

 

Actually it'd be much easier under the North Carolina Law.  All someone has to do is claim they are transgender.  They don't have to dress up or anything.  "Yeah, I'm a trans-male.  I was born female, so I have to use this bathroom because I'm a biological female."  


Not to mention that if they dress up like a woman, there's nothing stopping them anyway.  This law won't make them any less likely to do it.  "Oh no, I might get caught!"  Yeah, cause that goes through so many criminals heads.


And let's not forget the effect this has on androgynous people.  


 

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I was wrong about Trent Baalke. 

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There were multiple instances of men posing as women, others where men claimed general protection as transgender and one instance where the university of Toronto had to suspend their gender neutral bathroom system because of abuse.


What u refuse to acknowledge is that if the policy encourages or allows "straight dudes with bad intentions" greater or unfettered access to women's facilities then that is a problem. Straight dudes with bad intentions is all that Breitbart fear piece was. It's not a new phenomenon. It was not created by this policy. 21 states and over 250 cities have implemented these laws and no police force or mayor has reported any uptick in incidents you describe. Some have been very complimentary of these policies.



Yo go so far as to dismiss a sex offender being allowed into a woman's restroom. If you can't keep people with Proven records of sexual assault from entering a restroom under this policy then it needs to be seriously rethought. This is why you are dumb. I say "acknowledge" and you say I "dismiss" an incident. You allege I think they should "be allowed" there because I defend the right of actual trans people to use the bathroom they are comfortable with. You think this is the first sex offender to lie in wait in a bathroom he shouldn't be in? Or just the first in a dress? It's irrelevant. Do you know why? Because it is not happening on any scale that registers anywhere except your imagination.



Frankly its callous to sit in the face of real violations of women's privacy and try and waive an urban dictionary at the victims to lecture then on trans transvestitism etc. (I provided a link with definitions above that you obviously missed.) It speaks to an inability to empathize with anyone who doesn't fit your narrow world view. You and your [BAD WORD REMOVED] links. How about some real world experience? I will tell you that I have never encountered a person who was born a boy, identifies as a woman and is sexually attracted to women. That is the extremely improbable scenario you cited as a major sticking point in your argument, right? I still don't know what privacy is being violated when a trans person goes into a bathroom to go #1 or #2. If you could give me any tangible violation of privacy, inconvenience, etc., I would be able to assess whether or not your charge of calling me callous is merited.



I'm glad you know trans people you think highly of. That doesn't change the possibility of your system being abused. I know a lot of straight guys that seem okay. Does that invalidate any and all trans concerns about their safety? How many straight guys do you know that can say they were intimidated or attacked for trying to relieve their bladder? If you are afraid of the policy being abused, you have ONE verified occurrence to stoke the fire. You can spend hours each day scouring the internet and you might get two or three in a year. I will bet you ownership of my message board profile the number of straight guys with bad intentions going into bathrooms dressed as women will never be 1% of the total number of straight guys with bad intentions going into bathrooms.

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His major premise is that in his experience all trans women are indeed trans women exclusively attracted to men.

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My position is that allowing TG persons to enter the anatomically incorrect restrooms, locker room, gyms, etc. makes it more difficult to weed out the perpetrators and compromises the physical privacy and security of the vast majority of people using them. It's about not making it easier for bad people to do bad things. That's all.

My position is... IT IS NOT HAPPENING ON ANY MEASURABLE SCALE ANYWHERE.. so who exactly are you weeding out? Weeding out the ONE instance jj found on paranoidmorons.com? What privacy is compromised? Are they taking the doors off the stalls now? Bad people are gonna do bad things regardless of this policy and there is NO INCREASE in this type of thing happening ANYWHERE it has been implemented. How hard is that to admit?

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His major premise is that in his experience all trans women are indeed trans women exclusively attracted to men.

Actually it's not my major premise. It's an absurd "what if" you introduced which I shot down as so unlikely, I have never heard of it (you know, actually knowing LGBT people). If you were capable of reading, I would have you go back and actually process what I truly stated. As you are incapable, why don't you try fingerpainting.

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Call me... Call me... How did that go again.

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My position is... IT IS NOT HAPPENING ON ANY MEASURABLE SCALE ANYWHERE.. so who exactly are you weeding out? Weeding out the ONE instance jj found on paranoidmorons.com? What privacy is compromised? Are they taking the doors off the stalls now? Bad people are gonna do bad things regardless of this policy and there is NO INCREASE in this type of thing happening ANYWHERE it has been implemented. How hard is that to admit?

 

I'm not refusing to admit it, I'm saying bad people will adjust to this new laxity and take advantage of it to do bad things.

 

Little girl: "Mister, there's a man in the girl's room."

Clerk: "Sorry kid, nothing I can do about it."

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I'm not refusing to admit it, I'm saying bad people will adjust to this new laxity and take advantage of it to do bad things.


Little girl: "Mister, there's a man in the girl's room."

Clerk: "Sorry kid, nothing I can do about it."

Bad people have not been adjusting to it is the point. Some places have had these policies in place for well over a decade and NO INCREASE in incidents.


I don't condone random dudes just waiting in bathrooms. But trans people have been intimidated and attacked in bathrooms to the point they are more apprehensive about going there than straight people. They aren't loitering in bathrooms. They're trying to get in and out as quickly as possible to avoid confrontations. To date I have seen zero instances of a trans person who was NOT the victim in a bathroom incident. If a little girl sees a trans person in the bathroom, there should be nothing a clerk would have to do. Can you guess why? Transgender people are not attacking random people in public bathrooms! They are the only ones being somewhat regularly victimized in bathrooms. So.. that little girl in your scenario will be just fine if/when they encounter a trans person in a bathroom. And I repeat.. 21 states and 250+ cities report NO INCREASE in straight guys attacking women or kids where this policy has already been in place.


So ask yourself.. is this a rational fear or concern?

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Call me... Call me... How did that go again.

..a [BLEEP] moron?

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Bad people have not been adjusting to it is the point. Some places have had these policies in place for well over a decade and NO INCREASE in incidents.


I don't condone random dudes just waiting in bathrooms. But trans people have been intimidated and attacked in bathrooms to the point they are more apprehensive about going there than straight people. They aren't loitering in bathrooms. They're trying to get in and out as quickly as possible to avoid confrontations. To date I have seen zero instances of a trans person who was NOT the victim in a bathroom incident. If a little girl sees a trans person in the bathroom, there should be nothing a clerk would have to do. Can you guess why? Transgender people are not attacking random people in public bathrooms! They are the only ones being somewhat regularly victimized in bathrooms. So.. that little girl in your scenario will be just fine if/when they encounter a trans person in a bathroom. And I repeat.. 21 states and 250+ cities report NO INCREASE in straight guys attacking women or kids where this policy has already been in place.


So ask yourself.. is this a rational fear or concern?

 

Yes, it is.

 

Especially when we end up with lunacy like this: http://therightscoop.com/transgender-hoa...-happened/

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Yes, it is.


Especially when we end up with lunacy like this: <a class="bbc_url" href='http://therightscoop.com/transgender-hoax-video-proves-humiliating-bathroom-event-never-happened/'>http://therightscoop.com/transgender-hoax-video-proves-humiliating-bathroom-event-never-happened/</a>

What does this prove? Shall I start posting incidents of verified bathroom attacks on trans people in bathrooms? I could fill a whole thread with pics of bloodied faces from sites people may have actually heard of. Is that what is needed next?


How does this in any way enforce your argument that women and kids are being put at risk because some guy allegedly made up an attack? Why not try to find articles or statistics to support the idea trans people are attacking women and kids (oh yeah.. they aren't)?


I don't know why this person did this, if true, but if you are taking this outlier incident and interpreting this to mean ALL trans people are just making things up... then you are really reaching.

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For the record... "tranny" is a slur. So kudos to the author of that riveting blog post for revealing their predisposition.

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Only a chump boos the home team!

p.s. - you can also search for increased bathroom attacks in any of the states or cities which realize the fears you describe are all in your head.


Go on. Find me some documented proof there is any sort of uptick in bathroom attacks because of this policy. I'll bet you can't.

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Only a chump boos the home team!

For the record... "tranny" is a slur. So kudos to the author of that riveting blog post for revealing their predisposition.

 

Meh, that's about 70 millionth on my list of things to care about these days.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

p.s. - you can also search for increased bathroom attacks in any of the states or cities which realize the fears you describe are all in your head.


Go on. Find me some documented proof there is any sort of uptick in bathroom attacks because of this policy. I'll bet you can't.

 

Yes, yes, we know. As you and Rollerjag have said, any traditional values or norms must be destroyed if they inhibit any person from doing or thinking anything they want.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

..a [BAD WORD REMOVED] moron?

Smiles...


U mad bruh?

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p.s. - you can also search for increased bathroom attacks in any of the states or cities which realize the fears you describe are all in your head.


Go on. Find me some documented proof there is any sort of uptick in bathroom attacks because of this policy. I'll bet you can't.

Did u hear about the guy in target?

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