So you're asking me if, as acredponsible father, I would sacrifice my families safety security and prosperity so my toddler son could put on a dress... You have to ask me?

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The Comedy Zone does open mic nights on Tuesdays. In case you want to meet other unfunny people who have a propensity for self-loathing.

Wasn't trying to be funny. Was dead serious. It's only going to take once.

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There is a science for this, called r/K selection.  It explains a lot. 

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Of course I didn't disagree ,I havn't argued once that more men equals more homosexuality? This is a strawman argument. I was merely using the the animals changing sex and sexual preference based on environment to disqualify that they are born one way or another,and you are the one who made the comparison to animals first remember. For instance the leader of clownfish groups is always female. If the leader dies and there is no more females and male turns himself into a female. So you admit that environment/society/biology can influence sexuality/gender?

I think you and I are really close on this. I get while environmentally to survive as a species, these birds would do this. It's weird to me to think about when applying the same survival scenario to humans, but I can get it.


My comparison to China may have some points of comparison, but in this same context admittedly it doesn't fit. These birds are doing it due to a shortage of males and the need to survive, not because a shortage of males means females will turn gay. Obviously there is not an environmental struggle for humans to survive. I don't know that bit about the clownfish or why they do that, but I wouldn't know how to apply that to humans. I don't recall if it was you, but someone was making the argument people could be environmentally influenced to be LGBT by hanging around with groups of people that are gay or people who are more publicly accepting of being gay. That is a bit less credible to me.

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Johnson Hopkins is far right? That's childish.

This guy is far right. He happens to be employed by "Johns Hopkins" University (the only "Johnson" is you).


I have been following his circuit of paid appearances before you knew to Google his name.

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Only a chump boos the home team!

Yeah because only conservatives have agendas.

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Any way, I don't care the ESPN fired Shilling over this.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I think you and I are really close on this. I get while environmentally to survive as a species, these birds would do this. It's weird to me to think about when applying the same survival scenario to humans, but I can get it.


My comparison to China may have some points of comparison, but in this same context admittedly it doesn't fit. These birds are doing it due to a shortage of males and the need to survive, not because a shortage of males means females will turn gay. Obviously there is not an environmental struggle for humans to survive. I don't know that bit about the clownfish or why they do that, but I wouldn't know how to apply that to humans. I don't recall if it was you, but someone was making the argument people could be environmentally influenced to be LGBT by hanging around with groups of people that are gay or people who are more publicly accepting of being gay. That is a bit less credible to me.

Nah I dont think we are close at all. Its not just those particular birds its many others animals change their sexual preference/behaviour and even gender due to outside influences. As you said homosexuality is widespread in nature,well so is outside influenced sexual behaviour so why not in humans? Can you answer that?


"Claudia Wascher, a zoologist at Anglia Ruskin University, adds another nuance: If homosexuality is often adaptive, as she thinks, it’s also not going to be a straightforward trait inherited by some fixed percentage of a population, with frequencies changing in the simple manner of color patterns or height. Rather, the potential for becoming homosexual will vary from individual to individual, like curiosity or boldness or any other personality trait, and be shaped by the complex interaction of biology with social and environmental circumstance." Basically this.


Also this is of note.


Personality, genetics, and developmental experiences all have a place in influencing the development of homosexual attractions. Drs. Byne and Parsons at Columbia University believe it is important to "appreciate the complexities of sexual orientation and resist the urge to search for simplistic explanations, either psychosocial or biologic." (Byne and Parsons, pp. 236–37) They emphasize that in addition to the influences of genetics or the environment, the individual plays an important role in determining his or her identity.

Dr. John Money stated, "Many wrongly assume that whatever is biological cannot be changed, and whatever mental can be. Both propositions are in error. Homosexuality is always biological and always mental, both together. It is mental because it exists in the mind. It is biological because the mind exists in the brain. The sexual brain through its extended nervous system communicates back and forth with the sex organs." (Money, p. 123)


This explains what I've been trying to say in the simplest way possible. I think you have begun to realize how wrong your viewpoint is,but this should really hammer home the point.

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Nah I dont think we are close at all. Its not just those particular birds its many others animals change their sexual preference/behaviour and even gender due to outside influences. As you said homosexuality is widespread in nature,well so is outside influenced sexual behaviour so why not in humans? Can you answer that?


"Claudia Wascher, a zoologist at Anglia Ruskin University, adds another nuance: If homosexuality is often adaptive, as she thinks, it’s also not going to be a straightforward trait inherited by some fixed percentage of a population, with frequencies changing in the simple manner of color patterns or height. Rather, the potential for becoming homosexual will vary from individual to individual, like curiosity or boldness or any other personality trait, and be shaped by the complex interaction of biology with social and environmental circumstance." Basically this.


Also this is of note.


Personality, genetics, and developmental experiences all have a place in influencing the development of homosexual attractions. Drs. Byne and Parsons at Columbia University believe it is important to "appreciate the complexities of sexual orientation and resist the urge to search for simplistic explanations, either psychosocial or biologic." (Byne and Parsons, pp. 236–37) They emphasize that in addition to the influences of genetics or the environment, the individual plays an important role in determining his or her identity.

Dr. John Money stated, "Many wrongly assume that whatever is biological cannot be changed, and whatever mental can be. Both propositions are in error. Homosexuality is always biological and always mental, both together. It is mental because it exists in the mind. It is biological because the mind exists in the brain. The sexual brain through its extended nervous system communicates back and forth with the sex organs." (Money, p. 123)


This explains what I've been trying to say in the simplest way possible. I think you have begun to realize how wrong your viewpoint is,but this should really hammer home the point.

 

It is biological because it exists in the embryonic cells and is hereditary. If environment influences tendencies which are already imprinted on a person's DNA months before it leaves the womb, what is the balance?  Is it 50% biology and 50% environment?  I am not discounting that family structure and dysfunction can have an influence on whether or not a person is LGBT.  I accept that there exist social factors which can influence gender identity and gender roles, but to what degree I can't say.  My belief is that the larger piece of the puzzle rests with the biological makeup. 

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Now we have degenerated into outright LYING.  

 

1.) You yourself intimated that that pedophilia was a derivative of brain malformation.  That means that you accept the disorder is based on a persons physiology and that the urges are intrinsic and sincere.  So why the double standard.  Technically speaking, by pure biology does it make it any less disgusting if a step father sleeps with his step daughter a week after her first ministration?  In the case of every other sexually reproducing species on the planet she would be fair game.  Why do you keep proliferating a fake societal moral concept on the Step father exercising his natural desires?

 

2.) To any SANE PERSON not obsessed with a radical left DO WHATEVER FEELS GOOD AGENDA we know that same sex attraction is a hell of a lot more comparable to other potentially inbred or ingrained sexual deviations that it is to HAIR COLOR!  Unbelievable.  

 

3.) I have said it before, I'll say it again.  I do not care if there is a genetic link to same sex attraction or transgenderism etc.  You are the one who has created a false moral equivalence to uplift any and all genetic abnormalities or ailments because they are BIOLOGICAL.  The inherent brain structure of people with bi-polar disorder is different, we treat them.  The inherent brain structure of people with psychopathy is different, Do we have a parade celebrating Serial killers.  Is there going to be a take your knife to school day?

 

If a physical or hormonal imbalance causes a behavior disorder or in this case a massive DELUSIONAL STATE then its not societies responsibility to play along or emotionally subsidize it.  

 

jj..   I'm breaking up with you.  It's not me. It's you. I need to be with someone who has basic reading comprehension skills.

 

You can continue to link being LGBT to pedophilia and old ladies who want to pour Drano in their eyes and I won't try to explain to you how dumb or wrong you are. I will just tell you that you are dumb and wrong. You can continue to delude yourself with this armchair wisdom on what LGBT is and I will no longer try to correct you or influence your opinion in any way.  I will just tell you when something you say is dumb or wrong. You are a troll.  But you're not even half the troll TMD was. I've wasted enough time on you. I'm sure you'll find somebody else.

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It is biological because it exists in the embryonic cells and is hereditary. If environment influences tendencies which are already imprinted on a person's DNA months before it leaves the womb, what is the balance? Is it 50% biology and 50% environment? I am not discounting that family structure and dysfunction can have an influence on whether or not a person is LGBT. I accept that there exist social factors which can influence gender identity and gender roles, but to what degree I can't say. My belief is that the larger piece of the puzzle rests with the biological makeup.

Finally.


Read back in the thread and then read this. You have lambasted people for suggesting its more than just biological. You told me it was "absolutely absurd".


"My position is they do not have a choice in the matter. They are biologically born that way."


"So let me try again. When two female monkeys start rubbing their hoo-hahs together in an act of lesbian sex.. when two male lions couple with zero chance of passing on their genetic code.. is it biological or psychological? Why are humans different?"


"Study after study shows the biological explanation is the most widely accepted reason a person is LGBT. Study after study shows pedophilia is most likely explained as a mental disorder or due to brain structure"


These are quotes from you. I'm glad you've finally came to your senses after many words debating that it is a biological explanation.

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jj.. I'm breaking up with you. It's not me. It's you. I need to be with someone who has basic reading comprehension skills.


You can continue to link being LGBT to pedophilia and old ladies who want to pour Drano in their eyes and I won't try to explain to you how dumb or wrong you are. I will just tell you that you are dumb and wrong. You can continue to delude yourself with this armchair wisdom on what LGBT is and I will no longer try to correct you or influence your opinion in any way. I will just tell you when something you say is dumb or wrong. You are a troll. But you're not even half the troll TMD was. I've wasted enough time on you. I'm sure you'll find somebody else.

You're right, lets not compare behavioral disorders to one another. That's insane. Lets compare it to benign innate physical traits that have no affect on the way a person interacts with the world. Its not about accuracy, its about propping up your perverse world view at every turn right?


Have fun reinforcing your own delusions.

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You're right, lets not compare behavioral disorders to one another. That's insane. Lets compare it to benign innate physical traits that have no affect on the way a person interacts with the world. Its not about accuracy, its about propping up your perverse world view at every turn right?

Have fun reinforcing your own delusions.

Only certain ones, the rest are icky.


Delusions that is.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

You're right, lets not compare behavioral disorders to one another. That's insane. Lets compare it to benign innate physical traits that have no affect on the way a person interacts with the world. Its not about accuracy, its about propping up your perverse world view at every turn right?


Have fun reinforcing your own delusions.

I'll leave your belongings in a box marked "incapable". You can pick it up when I am at work tomorrow.

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Only a chump boos the home team!

Only certain ones, the rest are icky.


Delusions that is.

It's nice to know you can assign that label without having to actually directly challenge any facts I present. It makes it so much easier to accept.

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Are we supposed to treat LGBT / LGBTQ / LGBTIQ as ONE thing?  Aren't they all DIFFERENT?  I'm very close to being triggered here. 

 

And why do clinicians refer to transgenderism as a disorder (GID)?  Shouldn't they be demonized for this crass description of a beautiful self-realization?

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Finally.


Read back in the thread and then read this. You have lambasted people for suggesting its more than just biological. You told me it was "absolutely absurd".


"My position is they do not have a choice in the matter. They are biologically born that way."


"So let me try again. When two female monkeys start rubbing their hoo-hahs together in an act of lesbian sex.. when two male lions couple with zero chance of passing on their genetic code.. is it biological or psychological? Why are humans different?"


"Study after study shows the biological explanation is the most widely accepted reason a person is LGBT. Study after study shows pedophilia is most likely explained as a mental disorder or due to brain structure"


These are quotes from you. I'm glad you've finally came to your senses after many words debating that it is a biological explanation.

Your introduction to the environmental aspect began with a bunch of friends who you knew who all grouped together and became gay. I found that and still find that to be far-fetched. I can accept that there can be an environmental influence, but tend to lean more towards family structure playing that role as a basis for how a child self identifies. And I contend while there still can be an environmental influence, this influence is outweighed by biological factors. A person who reacts to environmental influences is doing do because of the pre-classified tendencies imprinted on their DNA.

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Only a chump boos the home team!

Are we supposed to treat LGBT / LGBTQ / LGBTIQ as ONE thing? Aren't they all DIFFERENT? I'm very close to being triggered here.


And why do clinicians refer to transgenderism as a disorder (GID)? Shouldn't they be demonized for this crass description of a beautiful self-realization?

No. Yes. Because that is the clinical term some use. No.

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Only a chump boos the home team!

I'll leave your belongings in a box marked "incapable". You can pick it up when I am at work tomorrow.

You're going a tad bit far with this fantasy about us being in some kind of relationship. Is this something we need to talk about?

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