It's not what SS is saying so much as his demand that we understand something he knows we will never understand and to apologize and be accountable for something he knows we never did. We as in present tense. If I am wrong then he can correct me.


I will never know the issues people of color face because I am not one, but don't tell me I don't care or don't sympathize about the person. Like Winger said, I care about the individual, not their race (meaning the color of their skin). I don't care what color you are, if you're kind to me I will be kind to you. If you're not, I won't go out of my way to be mean, but I most likely won't think of you at all.


As others have pointed out, a black man has sat in the seat of the White House for 8 years. I find it curious that he never worked on getting a formal government apology for the slave issue this country had. An apology so many want.

I understand your view better now. The repatriation idea is not very smart, every nation on earth owes reparations to one group or another if you go back in history.

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Progress does not mean eradication. For instance one candidate still believes stop and frisk is a good idea.


The war on drugs continues to disproportionally affect minorities.


So let's stop pretending that the problem no longer exists.

Just going to add in here.  One believes in stop and frisk, one does not believe in stop and frisk because it is ineffective instead of not believing in it because it is unconstitutional 

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The caveat of the entire 2008 resolution is that the mea culpa (acknowledgement of the wrongs of Slavery and Jim Crow) could NOT be used as legal rationale for reparations, financial or otherwise.

 

I have a problem with that. I argue that aside from the near genocide of the Native Americans, the century-plus of institutionalized racism towards blacks has been one of the greatest sins of this country. The timing, coming after close to two centuries of mistreatment of blacks and on the heels of this nation electing it's first African American president are also very interesting. It's like either a husband and wife leaving relationship counseling and saying the problem is fixed. Chapter closed! No its not.

 

By the way what was Reagan's rationale for tax funded financial reparations to the Japanese descendants? Did he feel an obligation to help them overcome their apparent marginalization?

 

So the apology wasn't good enough because there wasn't financial gain? Are you freaking serious? No one owes you a damn thing. No one. If your GOVERNMENT- your BLACK PRESIDENT- doesn't feel like it should pay reparations take it up with them. Where was your President with his phone and pen back then? Has he been so busy playing golf the last 8 years he couldn't see to this? I guess he's not your man as much as you wanted him to be.  You should have been petitioning him through your Senator or House Representative instead of complaining about it to everyone else. 

 

I now completely understand where you are coming from and have nothing more to say to you on this subject. 

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Formal apology that was claimed to have never been given not good enough. Got it.

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Looking to troll? Don't bother, we supply our own.

 

 

So the apology wasn't good enough because there wasn't financial gain? Are you freaking serious? No one owes you a damn thing. No one. If your GOVERNMENT- your BLACK PRESIDENT- doesn't feel like it should pay reparations take it up with them. Where was your President with his phone and pen back then? Has he been so busy playing golf the last 8 years he couldn't see to this? I guess he's not your man as much as you wanted him to be.  You should have been petitioning him through your Senator or House Representative instead of complaining about it to everyone else. 

 

I now completely understand where you are coming from and have nothing more to say to you on this subject. 

 

Based on the legal precedent, no it's not good enough. It takes a combination of the Congress and the President to pass and execute laws. Congress was dominated by Republicans whom would likely not care about this issue. I cannot blame Obama. In fact, the 2008 resolution was drafted by a Democrat...it would have never been brought up by modern day Republicans. Again, I ask what was the rationale by Reagan for using American tax dollars to pay reparations to the Japanese descendants? The internment camps only lasted 2 and half years, compared to 150+ of Slavery/Jim Crow/Institutionalized racism. 

 

Maybe because if you extrapolate it out....the financial cost would be quite significant....IF reparations were based purely on money and we used the numbers the Japanese descendants received ($20,000).

 

13 million blacks * $20,000 = $260,000,000. That's TWO HUNDRED AND SIXTY BILLION DOLLARS.

 

 

 

 

 

Senate Votes to Compensate Japanese-

<p style="font-size:1.5em;color:rgb(0,0,0);">WASHINGTON, April 20— Acting to redress what many Americans now regard as a historic injustice, the Senate today voted overwhelmingly to give $20,000 and an apology to each of the Japanese-Americans who were driven from their homes and sent to internment camps in World War II.

<p style="font-size:1.5em;color:rgb(0,0,0);">The vote was 69 to 27 and followed an emotional debate. The bill's principal advocate, Senator Spark M. Matsunaga, a Japanese-American from Hawaii, almost wept as, recalling the suffering of internees, he related the story of an elderly man who crossed a fence to retrieve a ball for his grandchild and was machine-gunned to death.


 

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Germany had no problem paying reparations to descendants of the Holocaust. So again back to the original post...why is there such a problem when it comes to the descendants of Slaves?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reparation...st_Germany

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I guess reparations is the new kinda lotto ticket.. Wish I could play too..

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Based on the legal precedent, no it's not good enough. It takes a combination of the Congress and the President to pass and execute laws. Congress was dominated by Republicans whom would likely not care about this issue. I cannot blame Obama. In fact, the 2008 resolution was drafted by a Democrat...it would have never been brought up by modern day Republicans. Again, I ask what was the rationale by Reagan for using American tax dollars to pay reparations to the Japanese descendants? The internment camps only lasted 2 and half years, compared to 150+ of Slavery/Jim Crow/Institutionalized racism. 

 

Maybe because if you extrapolate it out....the financial cost would be quite significant....IF reparations were based purely on money and we used the numbers the Japanese descendants received ($20,000).

 

13 million blacks * $20,000 = $260,000,000. That's TWO HUNDRED AND SIXTY BILLION DOLLARS.

 

 

 

 

 

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Germany had no problem paying reparations to descendants of the Holocaust. So again back to the original post...why is there such a problem when it comes to the descendants of Slaves?

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How much cash will it take to sooth the pain you suffer over your ancestors enslavement and subsequent oppression? Sounds like you want about 20k, even though you have already stated how successful you have become in spite of all the oppression you have encountered in these horrid conditions you have been exposed to in this completely racist country with a black POTUS.

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Looking to troll? Don't bother, we supply our own.

 

 

"They have no interest in moving forward".


Again, just my observations. But as an outside observer, it's just weird to read this thread. It seems that Rashean and Solid are trying to explain their experience, and the conservatives are talking right past them.

Thanks for saying that. Most of all Americans have moved forward. A lot. Black and White and others. I firmly believe this.


I also believe open dialogue is key. So the fact that we can discuss this issue is very encouraging. At some point before the bombs drop, I would like to think that Americans will be Americans and cultural differences will be celebrated and not mocked and feared.


Can we accept that the .01% that makes us different should not overrule the simple truth that we are 99.99% the same?

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Personally for me, I just quit caring. I'm out for me and me alone anymore. I had nothing to do with history so therefore I have nothing to be ashamed about. I'm not going to crusade for other people either. That's just me though.

I can understand and also relate. In my 20's I also stopped caring about pretty much anything but myself. As I grew older and wiser, I opened my eyes to a non-repairable plight of generational poverty. It ultimately became one of my crusades to TRY to assist.


I fear in another 20 years, I will be a typical retired old man who no longer cares about the struggles of others.


Generation after generation.

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I see your argument and point but it is not 1840, 1890, 1920, 1950, or 1970 anymore there are opportunities to be had. For the most part anyone of working age today has had equal opportunity. Affirmative action is not a fix all but its a step in the right direction. Police have targeted your communities and that does need to be dealt with but there is no one saying you can't go to a school because its whites only or holding anyone back from going to a library to learn. There is nothing stopping anyone from joining the military and getting training there.

Appreciate the ideas but you missed the mark.


What dictates the school you attend? Residence. What dictates where you live?


Why are there so many blacks living in the ghettos and poor neighborhoods? What did their parents do/not do to put them there? What did the grandparents do/not do to put the parents in this situation? And the great grandparents before that? The "opportunity" was almost never equal - even when segregation was deemed unlawful.


Yes - if a black kid and white kid were born as neighbors on the same street to families with identical social and economic class - then things could be considered relatively equal for those 2 specific children.


Very important to recognize that you are unequivocally a product of your environment.


And your last point: Blacks are 25-30 times more likely to join the military than Whites. So we have to put our lives in danger and risk death to protect the country for rich white peope just to get "equal" education? Thanks for nothing..,


Keep the conversation going. Seriously, ask a black co-worker to chime in.

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I can understand and also relate. In my 20's I also stopped caring about pretty much anything but myself. As I grew older and wiser, I opened my eyes to a non-repairable plight of generational poverty. It ultimately became one of my crusades to TRY to assist.


I fear in another 20 years, I will be a typical retired old man who no longer cares about the struggles of others.


Generation after generation.

I'm kinda the polar opposite. I used to care when I was younger.. Now I'm 41 and no longer give a [BLEEP]. I'll keep to myself, you do the same and we're cool. I don't give problems to people. I'm actually a really nice guy. You'd be surprised. I donate to charities, I help the people who need my help.


But don't mistake my kindness for weakness.. I'm always the first to give respect to people, but if I were you, I'd give that same respect right back..

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How much cash will it take to sooth the pain you suffer over your ancestors enslavement and subsequent oppression? Sounds like you want about 20k, even though you have already stated how successful you have become in spite of all the oppression you have encountered in these horrid conditions you have been exposed to in this completely racist country with a black POTUS.

I represent the 0.01% of black people in terms of educational attainment. I was lucky. You miss the mark on several grounds. Reparations have nothing to do with lotto tickets or handouts or whatever you want to call it. Reagan didn't think they were handouts to the Japanese descendants... I wonder why that is?

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My great uncle Micheal went to prison in England for 17 years for leading the failed bombing campaign in England 1939-1940 and I couldn't be more proud of him for doing what he did for his country.


His actual quote from the stand in the Old Bailey as he was about to sentenced was "I am not a criminal. I am fighting for the freedom of my country. For hundreds of years Irishmen have fought for freedom and will continue to do so as long as any part of the country is occupied by the British"


Don't need to go back that far to see the crimes of the British.

 

I'd be more proud of fighting off the Nazis personally in 1940...

 

Lucky the British were helping defend your freedoms.

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Based on the legal precedent, no it's not good enough. It takes a combination of the Congress and the President to pass and execute laws. Congress was dominated by Republicans whom would likely not care about this issue. I cannot blame Obama. In fact, the 2008 resolution was drafted by a Democrat...it would have never been brought up by modern day Republicans. Again, I ask what was the rationale by Reagan for using American tax dollars to pay reparations to the Japanese descendants? The internment camps only lasted 2 and half years, compared to 150+ of Slavery/Jim Crow/Institutionalized racism.


Maybe because if you extrapolate it out....the financial cost would be quite significant....IF reparations were based purely on money and we used the numbers the Japanese descendants received ($20,000).


13 million blacks * $20,000 = $260,000,000. That's TWO HUNDRED AND SIXTY BILLION DOLLARS.






Senate Votes to Compensate Japanese-




Germany had no problem paying reparations to descendants of the Holocaust. So again back to the original post...why is there such a problem when it comes to the descendants of Slaves?

<a class="bbc_url" href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reparations_Agreement_between_Israel_and_West_Germany'>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reparations_Agreement_between_Israel_and_West_Germany</a>

Maybe I read things wrong but doesn't it say $20,000 was paid to each surviving victim?


I don't see where it says in your post(s) that descendant's were paid.

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Appreciate the ideas but you missed the mark.


What dictates the school you attend? Residence. What dictates where you live?

Why are there so many blacks living in the ghettos and poor neighborhoods? What did their parents do/not do to put them there? What did the grandparents do/not do to put the parents in this situation? And the great grandparents before that? The "opportunity" was almost never equal - even when segregation was deemed unlawful.


Yes - if a black kid and white kid were born as neighbors on the same street to families with identical social and economic class - then things could be considered relatively equal for those 2 specific children.


Very important to recognize that you are unequivocally a product of your environment.


And your last point: Blacks are 25-30 times more likely to join the military than Whites. So we have to put our lives in danger and risk death to protect the country for rich white peope just to get "equal" education? Thanks for nothing..,


Keep the conversation going. Seriously, ask a black co-worker to chime in.

 

If you want to have an honest and open conversation, then just think about the first bolded statement.  Address the numbers of single parent homes, the numbers of public government school dropouts.  Address the so-called "no snitch" policy that has become part of the culture of these neighborhoods.  It isn't because people don't have the opportunity to advance.  The opportunity is there and has been for a very long time.  It's not for the government or anyone else to "give" somebody a better life, it's up to people doing it for themselves.

 

To get back to the original topic.  Why do black people think that they are "owed" something from everybody else?  It's a point-blank question not meant to be offensive, but open and honest about it.  Even though my ancestors went through wrongs throughout this countries history, I don't feel that my country owes me anything.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

Based on the legal precedent, no it's not good enough. It takes a combination of the Congress and the President to pass and execute laws. Congress was dominated by Republicans whom would likely not care about this issue. I cannot blame Obama. In fact, the 2008 resolution was drafted by a Democrat...it would have never been brought up by modern day Republicans. Again, I ask what was the rationale by Reagan for using American tax dollars to pay reparations to the Japanese descendants? The internment camps only lasted 2 and half years, compared to 150+ of Slavery/Jim Crow/Institutionalized racism. 

 

Maybe because if you extrapolate it out....the financial cost would be quite significant....IF reparations were based purely on money and we used the numbers the Japanese descendants received ($20,000).

 

13 million blacks * $20,000 = $260,000,000. That's TWO HUNDRED AND SIXTY BILLION DOLLARS.

 

 

 

 

 

Senate Votes to Compensate Japanese-

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Germany had no problem paying reparations to descendants of the Holocaust. So again back to the original post...why is there such a problem when it comes to the descendants of Slaves?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reparation...st_Germany

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You're arguing about two totally separate issues.  The Japanese people sent to internment camps were U.S. citizens at the time (a time of war).  During the slavery years, blacks were not considered citizens.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

You're arguing about two totally separate issues. The Japanese people sent to internment camps were U.S. citizens at the time (a time of war). During the slavery years, blacks were not considered citizens.

Is that the best argument you have.... they were citizens, and Blacks weren't until 1868? Only Sixty Two percent of the Japanese were US citizens (Meyer, 1946). You're simply using semantics to weasel your way out the argument. But look we can start at 1868....it still took over 100 years before blacks had accorded full protection under the law and discrimination was "outlawed".

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Based on the legal precedent, no it's not good enough. It takes a combination of the Congress and the President to pass and execute laws. Congress was dominated by Republicans whom would likely not care about this issue. I cannot blame Obama. In fact, the 2008 resolution was drafted by a Democrat...it would have never been brought up by modern day Republicans. Again, I ask what was the rationale by Reagan for using American tax dollars to pay reparations to the Japanese descendants? The internment camps only lasted 2 and half years, compared to 150+ of Slavery/Jim Crow/Institutionalized racism. 

 

Maybe because if you extrapolate it out....the financial cost would be quite significant....IF reparations were based purely on money and we used the numbers the Japanese descendants received ($20,000).

 

13 million blacks * $20,000 = $260,000,000. That's TWO HUNDRED AND SIXTY BILLION DOLLARS.

 

 

 

 

 

Senate Votes to Compensate Japanese-



 


Germany had no problem paying reparations to descendants of the Holocaust. So again back to the original post...why is there such a problem when it comes to the descendants of Slaves?

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<a class="bbc_url" href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reparations_Agreement_between_Israel_and_West_Germany'>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reparations_Agreement_between_Israel_and_West_Germany</a>

Germany had no problem paying reparations to descendants of the Holocaust. So again back to the original post...why is there such a problem when it comes to the descendants of Slaves?


But your Arbeit made you frei.

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Blakes Life Matters

What's up with the myopic view that slavery was somehow an "American" thing?

 

America certainly didn't invent or own the institution.

 

Since there was a drug analogy, the country was a user - one of many.  We certainly weren't the pusher.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

Is that the best argument you have.... they were citizens, and Blacks weren't until 1868? Only Sixty Two percent of the Japanese were US citizens (Meyer, 1946).

 

So what exactly is your goal with this thread?  An apology?  Money?  What?

 

The topic of this thread is reparations being paid out to blacks.  Please give me a good argument as to why that should happen.

 

The color of your skin holds you down?  Tell that to the current sitting President.

 

People living and growing up poor and in poor neighborhoods?  Tell that to Herman Cain.

 

People not having an education opportunity, especially raised in a single parent household?  Tell that to Dr. Ben Carson.

 

The point is, these black men have achieved great accomplishments because of their own hard work, not because it was given to them.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.