She lost because people dont think she's the right one to lead the country...every since the clintons have come into the limelight, they have been tied to scandals...8 years of democratic rule has turned the stomachs of americans... 

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I read an article today about Hillary Clinton having a higher likability rating than Donald Trump by a large margin.


Yes, but people vote for candidates they TRUST, not necessarily who they like.  Most of us dislike Donald, but more of us trusted him more than her.

 

While I have an extreme distaste for Donald's particular type of lies and hyperbole, I realize that most people find lying to be much less of an issue than I do.

 

This Washington Post article sums in up:  "The media (and I) take Trump literally, but not seriously.  Trump supporters take him seriously, but not literally."  I've always taken him at his word, because that was what I was brought up to do.  Other folks are more comfortable with lies, lying, and liars, and aren't offended by the hyperbole or ruses.  Because he's at least doing it out in the open - Hillary's big sin is doing it behind your back, and then trying to cover.  And she's just not very good at it.

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I read an article today about Hillary Clinton having a higher likability rating than Donald Trump by a large margin.


Yes, but people vote for candidates they TRUST, not necessarily who they like.  Most of us dislike Donald, but more of us trusted him more than her.

 

While I have an extreme distaste for Donald's particular type of lies and hyperbole, I realize that most people find lying to be much less of an issue than I do.

 

This Washington Post article sums in up:  "The media (and I) take Trump literally, but not seriously.  Trump supporters take him seriously, but not literally."  I've always taken him at his word, because that was what I was brought up to do.  Other folks are more comfortable with lies, lying, and liars, and aren't offended by the hyperbole or ruses.  Because he's at least doing it out in the open - Hillary's big sin is doing it behind your back, and then trying to cover.  And she's just not very good at it.

 

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You can't take something Donald Trump says literally without taking it seriously. The two adjectives go hand in hand.

 

As far as acceptance of lying, all candidates fail in debate fact checkers and say what Americans want to hear, but there is no excuse for lies such as "I know everything about ISIS." LOL

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You can't take something Donald Trump says literally without taking it seriously. The two adjectives go hand in hand.

 

As far as acceptance of lying, all candidates fail in debate fact checkers and say what Americans want to hear, but there is no excuse for lies such as "I know everything about ISIS." LOL

 

Check out the article.  It does a pretty good job of explaining how many of the folks that voted Donald president thought.

 

This Atlantic article also explains it well.

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Check out the article.  It does a pretty good job of explaining how many of the folks that voted Donald president thought.

 

This Atlantic article also explains it well.

 

A shale industry gathering. That tells me everything. People like him because of his pro-pollution energy policies.

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A shale industry gathering. That tells me everything. People like him because of his pro-pollution energy policies.

 

There's a kernel of truth in your statement.

 

People want jobs, and the right thinks the EPA is in the way.  Earthquakes, spills, and dirty drinking water next year don't matter to folks if they can't put food on the table this year, so they'll trade a clean future for a prosperous present.  Hate to say it, but it makes perfect sense.  And no one likes the idea of Washington coming into their community and telling them what they can and can't do, no matter how much sense it makes long-term.

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She lost because she was a garbage candidate. The DNC ignored what the people were actually upset about and didn't care. The party establishment were arrogant and stuck their collective noses into the air and issued a big ole "tut tut the little people think they know. well I do declare."

 

They are solely responsible for this real world Red Wedding and frankly they deserve it. 

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She lost because she was a garbage candidate. The DNC ignored what the people were actually upset about and didn't care. The party establishment were arrogant and stuck their collective noses into the air and issued a big ole "tut tut the little people think they know. well I do declare."

 

They are solely responsible for this real world Red Wedding and frankly they deserve it. 

 

  Agreed.  

 

 Combining this with the entitlement factor on the part of the Clintons themselves,  the level of arrogance by both the Clintons and DNC turned off many millions of voters that contributed substantially to Hillary Clinton losing votes.   The Clintons  and DNC made this election feel more like a coronation instead of giving the people a voice in the process.

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  Agreed.  

 

 Combining this with the entitlement factor on the part of the Clintons themselves,  the level of arrogance by both the Clintons and DNC turned off many millions of voters that contributed substantially to Hillary Clinton losing votes.   The Clintons  and DNC made this election feel more like a coronation instead of giving the people a voice in the process.

Spot on.

 

Sanders had the pulse of the nation. He understood what people were angry and upset and spoke about it. That's why he was so popular. Same with Donald. The way the DNC mocked him and his supporters spoke volumes to progressives. 

 

I am sure some went to Donald's side but many many more just abstained or wrote him in like I did. 

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Also, NBC should have held the video until midway through early voting

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  Agreed.  

 

 Combining this with the entitlement factor on the part of the Clintons themselves,  the level of arrogance by both the Clintons and DNC turned off many millions of voters that contributed substantially to Hillary Clinton losing votes.   The Clintons  and DNC made this election feel more like a coronation instead of giving the people a voice in the process.

 

That's exactly what it was supposed to be with the main stream media pushing it.

 

In 2008 it was supposed to be "her turn" until Barack Obama beat her in the primaries.  I'm convinced through some background deals Obama appointed her as SOS as a "place holder".  In this election the Clintons and the DNC ensured that she would be anointed as the Democrat nominee.  The Democrat party didn't really run any other candidates to oppose her, and when Bernie Sanders switched his party to run in the primaries the DNC establishment ensured that he would not have a chance.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

Just 3 reasons, in order of importance:


1. Nobody except feminists really like her. (Kotite's argument)


2. She ignored the Rust Belt, and Donald didn't (jj's #5)


3. Nobody wanted a 3rd Obama turn (Marty's point).

^ This can't be true. Hillary lost because most people are racist, sexist, bigots and agree with everything Trump said and did.

Plain and Simple.


**very much sarcasm of course.


I live in the rust belt. Trump's words struck a chord with a greatany people here about trade deals and jobs.

Plus, a lot of working class people that weren't fortunate enough to have health insurance through employment, got hit hard financially from mandatory insurance premiums/IRS penalties.


Personally, I was fortunate to have benefits. However, being curious, I checked into what it would cost me of I was forced to buy it on my own. It was more monthly cost than what I paid for my morgtage. Ridiculous.


We'll see if Trump and Congress can actually push through some of these changes. I hope they do.

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Spot on.

 

Sanders had the pulse of the nation. He understood what people were angry and upset and spoke about it. That's why he was so popular. Same with Donald.

 

  Absolutely.

 

  Both Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders connected with masses of people.   The same with Obama and Ron Paul in recent past elections.    What stood out about Hillary Clinton's rallies were small crowds and Clinton shouting.   Her shouting consistently also turned many people off.  

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That's exactly what it was supposed to be with the main stream media pushing it.

 

In 2008 it was supposed to be "her turn" until Barack Obama beat her in the primaries.  I'm convinced through some background deals Obama appointed her as SOS as a "place holder".  In this election the Clintons and the DNC ensured that she would be anointed as the Democrat nominee.  The Democrat party didn't really run any other candidates to oppose her, and when Bernie Sanders switched his party to run in the primaries the DNC establishment ensured that he would not have a chance.

 

    I agree with you 100 %.   

 

   In essence,  this was suppose to be a one horse race from the perspective of the Clintons,  DNC,  and the mainstream media.   Once Joe Biden elected not to run for President,  the Obamas then got behind Hillary Clinton.    There was no opposition from the establishment on the Left.   

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  Absolutely.

 

  Both Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders connected with masses of people.   The same with Obama and Ron Paul in recent past elections.    What stood out about Hillary Clinton's rallies were small crowds and Clinton shouting.   Her shouting consistently also turned many people off.  

 

 

    I agree with you 100 %.   

 

   In essence,  this was suppose to be a one horse race from the perspective of the Clintons,  DNC,  and the mainstream media.   Once Joe Biden elected not to run for President,  the Obamas then got behind Hillary Clinton.    There was no opposition from the establishment on the Left.   

Almost as if it was planned that way... If only there were some evidence of corruption and scale tipping at the DNC. 

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Almost as if it was planned that way... If only there were some evidence of corruption and scale tipping at the DNC. 

 

Hmmm....

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

Almost as if it was planned that way... If only there were some evidence of corruption and scale tipping at the DNC. 

 

   Now the question becomes what will the DNC do in order to recover from what transpired?  

 

   Like I mentioned in another thread,  I think there's a pretty good chance Michelle Obama is going to emerge as a unifying force for the Democrats.

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   Now the question becomes what will the DNC do in order to recover from what transpired?  

 

   Like I mentioned in another thread,  I think there's a pretty good chance Michelle Obama is going to emerge as a unifying force for the Democrats.

That could be the case. I know most pubs despise her but she is very well loved on the left and is one of the most popular FLOTUS of all time. I don't think she is interested in it however. 

 

What I would like to see is this movement that is forming between the Bernie wing progressives to push for someone like Keith Ellison to take over. What people have been suggesting should happen with the RNC is what needs to happen with the DNC. The old guard line towers need to go and the party needs to reinvent itself if it wants to survive. 

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Hmmm....

Your sarcasm radar is about on par with JDubs.   :teehee:

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What's worse is if the emails weren't produced, we'd know nothing about the scheme.  She still would have gotten the nomination, and no one would have been fired.  Who knows what difference a successful coverup would have made in the eyes of independent voters (or even Bernie voters.)

 

If people thought she won it fair and square, would they have been more apt to vote for her?  Possibly.

 

Still, the scariest part to me is those who are completely ok with what was done to produce her as the candidate and still back a party and candidate that did such a thing.

 

The GOP establishment was against Trump, but they didn't sabotage his run as the DNC did with Bernie.

 

I don't care what your beliefs are or how dedicated you are to a particular cause or party - I would lose all trust in a party that acted that way (and I don't fully trust either party to begin with.)

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