I can understand why you would think doing so is extreme, but unfortunately it's necessary.

 

That's not a Tea Party principle, and they weren't the first to do or suggest it.

 

You shouldn't have to use such measures to force the people who are supposed to be acting in our best interest to do their jobs.  That was the extreme part - dereliction of duty, not the measures taken to correct the matter.

I understand the POV you all come from on the issue. I disagree but I understand. It's a matter of perspective as with most things politics. The problem is these perspective disagreements are often oppinions expressed as facts with the opposing side being dismissed as an myriad of negative terms. It's fine we're humans and we kind of love the drams. 

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In retrospect, why Hillary lost is simple. It has nothing to do with emails. It has everything to do with the fact that she took the Rust Belt for granted and didn't spend much time or money there at all. Meanwhile, Trump was out reminding those same small-D democrats that they lost their jobs because of the economic policies of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, and explaining his economic policy in a way that made sense and made them believe the jobs were coming back.


Hillary lost because she took people for granted. It's almost poetic, given that her whole career has been based on that.

This is correct and exactly why she lost. Well combined with her demonizing of large sects of america.

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Peyton must store oxygen in that forehead of his. No way I'd still be alive after all that choking.

 

To say she lost because of lost jobs because of Obama's economic policies is absurd. When Obama took office the unemployment rate was over 10% and rising. It's now about 4.9%

 

I can assure you, being a small business owner, many of my customers were affected seriously back in the great recession days. They lost their jobs, took pay cuts, reduced hours. We didn't see them for a couple of years. Our business suffered as well. They started returning to us in '11 and '12 and now our business is back to where it was before the collapse.

 

I think Hillary lost because she never ventured into the rural areas of the country to assure them the government was not coming after their guns or their income. Too many talking heads were scaring them into believing she would. She did nothing.

 

Regards....................the Chiefjag

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^manufacturing sector (where I work) was affected chief. I can't speak on small businesses, idk.


A huge portion of our production has moved to Ireland over the past 4-6 years.

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I read an article today about Hillary Clinton having a higher likability rating than Donald Trump by a large margin.

 

As a nation, we should vote on that.

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I think their problem is more with a Hillary loss than a Trump win..

 

I look forward to a the day we have a female president. I'm glad our daughters can look to a woman more deserving of respect than that one to set the bar for that day.

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Only a chump boos the home team!

I look forward to a the day we have a female president. I'm glad our daughters can look to a woman more deserving of respect than that one to set the bar for that day.

I do too, but it's about getting the right woman, not just any woman!

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???

I do too, but it's about getting the right woman, not just any woman!

^^ Yup, exactly right.

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To say she lost because of lost jobs because of Obama's economic policies is absurd. When Obama took office the unemployment rate was over 10% and rising. It's now about 4.9%

 

I can assure you, being a small business owner, many of my customers were affected seriously back in the great recession days. They lost their jobs, took pay cuts, reduced hours. We didn't see them for a couple of years. Our business suffered as well. They started returning to us in '11 and '12 and now our business is back to where it was before the collapse.

 

I think Hillary lost because she never ventured into the rural areas of the country to assure them the government was not coming after their guns or their income. Too many talking heads were scaring them into believing she would. She did nothing.

 

Regards....................the Chiefjag

 

Not many rural folks would have voted for her anyway. I wouldn't lay her loss at the feet of "clingers".  The fact of the matter is she's a wholly unlikable shrill megalomaniac of questionable character. So much so that she lost to Donald J. Trump, for God's sake.

 

Much like Bob Dole did to the Republican party in 1996, the Democrats nominated her because many believed she was owed. Mainly for her loyalty after not divorcing Bill all those years and heaping more scandal on the man who was the best thing to happen for the Democrats since JFK. The Democrats are suffering from a self-inflicted wound.

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Here's a couple of key thoughts to consider. When did Trump talk about religion? What about other social issues such as gays? What about abortion? He didn't. He also steered clear of entitlement programs.

Entitlement programs aside, which I think need a thorough overhaul, I actually am coming to a place where I think a Trump not directly stepping in the mire of social issues definitely did him more good than harm.


As I've said elsewhere, I have a lot of Republican friends but, to a person, they steer vehemently away from any candidate who tows the religious/legislation of morality line. Im only guessing here, but I'm pretty sure many of them felt slightly better about voting for Trump because he isn't seen as a hardcore social conservative. Mike Pence, not so much...he borders on being a zealot from where I sit but I also don't think people paid him that much attention either.

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To say she lost because of lost jobs because of Obama's economic policies is absurd. When Obama took office the unemployment rate was over 10% and rising. It's now about 4.9%


I can assure you, being a small business owner, many of my customers were affected seriously back in the great recession days. They lost their jobs, took pay cuts, reduced hours. We didn't see them for a couple of years. Our business suffered as well. They started returning to us in '11 and '12 and now our business is back to where it was before the collapse.


I think Hillary lost because she never ventured into the rural areas of the country to assure them the government was not coming after their guns or their income. Too many talking heads were scaring them into believing she would. She did nothing.


Regards....................the Chiefjag

Lfpr

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She lost cause she sucks.

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She lost cause she sucks.

 

No, Monica Did....... :teehee: :yes: :woot:

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She lost because she is a garbage candidate. Democrats have nobody to blame but themselves for this.

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She lost because she is a garbage candidate. Democrats have nobody to blame but themselves for this.

Considering the lack of any sort of a bench downstream for democrats, they're in a complete state of panic.  When your best next prospects are Elizabeth Fauxahontas Warren and Bernie Sanders, both of whom are either older than, or around the same age as Hillary, the party is in trouble. 

 

Reading some of the articles that have popped up about internal conversations the party is having, the grassroots people are ticked because the old guard democrats like Pelosi and Reid have held on to power for so long and refused to let the younger rising stars step up that their bench has been completely decimated.  They hold 13 governor's seats, and lost even more state houses in the election this past week.  They're blaming a lot of this on Debbie Wasserman Schultz for allowing Obama to suck all of the oxygen out of the party steamrolling any potential heirs to his presidency. 

 

From the sounds of it, this could be a long-term situation because they've absolutely obliterated what would normally be considered the farm system for the national party with the state level politics. 

 

It's interesting because prior to the election, you never would have suspected that to be the case based on the rhetoric, but democrats have been losing down ticket for several election cycles, and there really doesn't appear to be any momentum to turn that around at the moment, forcing the party to seek out new leadership and to push even further to the left in order to try to regain some footing.  Everyone though Trump would wreak havoc on the GOP down ballot, and that turned out not to be the case, and in fact, he actually showed pretty well in having coattails to win many close elections.  The republicans who lost Senate races this week actually turned their back on Trump.  Those who didn't, won. 

 

Both parties are going to have to reinvent themselves to some extent.  One more than the other.  I think the establishment in  both parties has done a great disservice to the electorate, and they're now feeling the wrath of turning their back on voters in favor of consolidating their own power.

 

As far as why Clinton lost, the post mortems are rolling out now, and she's blaming Comey.  I think she's giving him far too much credit, although I do think his announcement that the investigation was reopened didn't help her, it more or less solidified the opinion of those who didn't trust her to begin with.  That includes suburban women, who she took for granted as a locked up bloc of voters in her column.  They swung big time to Trump when the dust settled.

 

Where Clinton should be looking to explain why she lost the election is to look at the swing states that she expected to carry, like Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania.  They expected to win those states in a walk, so she didn't put much in the way of resources into those areas until the weekend before the election when they were getting some indication of trouble.  Trump flipped counties in those states that went 3 to 1 to Obama in 2008 and 2012 because he actually went there and talked about jobs in what's more or less the rust belt.  It resonated, and he won those areas of the states handily. 

 

Even in Virginia, they were in a complete state of panic because it took so long to call it.  The northern part of the state is heavily democrat with a consolidation of federal employees around DC.  They expected to win VA by 10 points, but it was so close that the delayed call actually hurt them elsewhere, and that was the first sign of trouble for the campaign. 

 

I read that when the election results started rolling in from Wisconsin, and it was confirmed that Johnson wasn't going to get booted from the Senate by Feingold, that was when they knew it was over, and they started preparing the staff for a concession.  Trump hadn't even won the state yet, but their internal polling told them he would, and that he'd pick up Michigan and PA as well, which ultimately happened.  They knew they'd have a battle in FL, but when it was called for Trump, they saw it as him winning a state that he absolutely needed, but she didn't.  When he took NC, that was a devastating blow.

 

In the end, when the analysis is complete on this election, it was Hillary's hubris, distrust, and a complete lack of likeability that cost her the election.  The key demographic groups she expected to carry her to the White House just didn't show up because they didn't like her. 

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Never argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

She lost because she is a garbage candidate. Democrats have nobody to blame but themselves for this.

 

The poetic justice there being, that's what the D was lecturing the GOP about when they expected the win.

 

Again, Hillary backers need to be introspective here and stop blaming everyone and everything else.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

To go along with that, I think that if the far left is successful in getting control of the Democrat party, they probably won't win very many elections.

 

  Hopefully that will be the case.  But the United States has moved much further to the left than it used to be.  If JFK from his days as President was around today,   he would be rejected by a large part of the Democrat Party for being too Conservative from their perspective. 

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Heck yeah it is and I say it's about damn time, I just wish they would keep it civil. Everyone was told it would be the trump supporters doing this if he lost and maybe that would have been true but it's good see the progressive left not sitting done like a bunch of wimps like the DNC cronies have done for decades. I don't often agree with the right on ideals but one thing I do agree with is they fight for what they believe in. I'm all for compromise but when your identity is on the line you can't compromise with that. 

 

   As a Conservative,  I'm not willing to compromise my core beliefs/  identity.   Hence,  I know where the Left is coming from when fighting for what they believe in.  But like you mentioned,  keeping it civil is the key.   I've been to countless rallies that are Right Wing oriented and all were the type of events that were civil.    Children were safe and the police were greatly appreciated. 

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The thing is, the "far right" has not won.  If you think that Trump is "far right" then you are way more "far left" than I thought.  He's actually probably closer to the center of the political spectrum.  A "far right" candidate would have been someone like Ted Cruz.

 

Here's a couple of key thoughts to consider.  When did Trump talk about religion?  What about other social issues such as gays?  What about abortion?  He didn't.  He also steered clear of entitlement programs.

 

His campaign coming down the stretch was for the most part optimistic, especially with issues that people really care about (the economy, immigration, infrastructure, government red tape, etc.).  He talked about fixing problems in inner cities rather than promising more "free stuff".

 

 

   This is a major reason why I supported and voted for Ted Cruz and didn't do either with Donald Trump. 

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I have to very much disagree on Tea Party being "extreme."

 

They are anything but, unless it's felt economic responsibility and upholding the Constitution are now somehow "extreme."

They believe:

 

<div>1. Illegal aliens are here illegally.
2. Pro-domestic employment is indispensable.
3. A strong military is essential.
4. Special interests must be eliminated.
5. Gun ownership is sacred.
6. Government must be downsized.
7. The national budget must be balanced.
8. Deficit spending must end.
9. Bailout and stimulus plans are illegal.
10. Reducing personal income taxes is a must.
11. Reducing business income taxes is mandatory.
12. Political offices must be available to average citizens.
13. Intrusive government must be stopped.
14. English as our core language is required.
15. Traditional family values are encouraged.
 

It's fine to agree or disagree with these beliefs, but they are anything but extreme views.

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 Excellent post!   Thank you!

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