This year he agreed with everyone who had Luke Joeckel rated #1.

Merely coincidence.


Odds are his evaluations will match up with those of other people at some point. It doesn't prove anything.

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This year he agreed with everyone who had Luke Joeckel rated #1.

True but I was talking hyped qb's in that post

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"If this team gets lessons from losing they should all be Einsteins by now."---Jaguarmvp

 

"Football is not played on paper, its played inside Televisions"---Random Poster BCC

Just a thought:

 

If Caldwell was really worried of a team leapfrogging us he would just offer a trade himself.  Say he offers a 5th and our 1st to move up one spot it's a win/win for both teams.  The Rams have Sam Bradford who has a career rating of over 90.  They are in desperate need of protection so they are going Jake Matthews.  The Jags may want to go either a QB or Clowney in the 1st round.  There is no danger of the Jags taking another tackle because Joeckle will be 100% by training camp and the 2 current starting tackles are playing pretty well. 

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Yes, because fans have so much control over where the team drafts. 

 

Fans don't have any control. Doesn't stop them from talking endlessly about draft position, mocks, or any of the other 1000 things fans have zero control over. Hell, FBT why talk about anything other than buying tickets -- that's all fans can control: you can buy or not buy, support or not support. We know the consequences of not buying tickets, so why even bother having this forum and the million pointless threads on here? Why? Cause it's fun. 

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Just a thought:

 

If Caldwell was really worried of a team leapfrogging us he would just offer a trade himself.  Say he offers a 5th and our 1st to move up one spot it's a win/win for both teams.  The Rams have Sam Bradford who has a career rating of over 90.  They are in desperate need of protection so they are going Jake Matthews.  The Jags may want to go either a QB or Clowney in the 1st round.  There is no danger of the Jags taking another tackle because Joeckle will be 100% by training camp and the 2 current starting tackles are playing pretty well. 

 

 I see your point but moving up 1 spot in the top 5 will cost you more than just a 5th round pick.

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Now everybody is worried about the draft position....

 

But we now have a winning culture...of beating teams with sub-par quarterback play!

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But we now have a winning culture...of beating teams with sub-par quarterback play!

they cant all be winners

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Merely coincidence.


Odds are his evaluations will match up with those of other people at some point. It doesn't prove anything.

 

Yes it does prove something: David Caldwell is sometimes a BAP drafter. He went BAP again only one more time, in the fifth round, so the word sometimes is important.

 

Just a thought:

 

If Caldwell was really worried of a team leapfrogging us he would just offer a trade himself.  Say he offers a 5th and our 1st to move up one spot it's a win/win for both teams. The Rams have Sam Bradford who has a career rating of over 90. They are in desperate need of protection so they are going Jake Matthews.  The Jags may want to go either a QB or Clowney in the 1st round.  There is no danger of the Jags taking another tackle because Joeckle will be 100% by training camp and the 2 current starting tackles are playing pretty well. 

 

Nice idea, but nobody is going to let it happen. We gave up a fourth to move up two spots in the top 10 last year. Moving up one in the top 5 would cost our third rounder if we are lucky.

 

Trading up only one spot is stupid unless you know for a fact that is the only way to avoid getting leapfrogged for a player you want.

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Yes it does prove something: David Caldwell is sometimes a BAP drafter. He went BAP again only one more time, in the fifth round, so the word sometimes is important.



Nice idea, but nobody is going to let it happen. We gave up a fourth to move up two spots in the top 10 last year. Moving up one in the top 5 would cost our third rounder if we are lucky.


Trading up only one spot is stupid unless you know for a fact that is the only way to avoid getting leapfrogged for a player you want.

Not everyone has the same players rated the same. The BAP for one GM might not be the same for another. If they happen to be, it is a coincidence. There is no de facto list of players rated best to worst.

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guess not, And i forgot about the percy harvin trade because i cant' decide which trade was worse, trent richardson or percy harvin.

 

But to trade back in they pretty much traded their entire draft to NE. 

 

But I really think the Browns will be the team to get the second pick from the rams, they have two first rounders, if they dont win will be around pick 5-6 and would be the perfect area to take Matthews in the draft without reaching, if that's the route they want to go. However, Didn't Long just tear his ACL in the last game, so maybe they take clowney with the 2nd and shock everyone

That was LT Jake Long, not DE and Howie's kid Chris.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

Fans don't have any control. Doesn't stop them from talking endlessly about draft position, mocks, or any of the other 1000 things fans have zero control over. Hell, FBT why talk about anything other than buying tickets -- that's all fans can control: you can buy or not buy, support or not support. We know the consequences of not buying tickets, so why even bother having this forum and the million pointless threads on here? Why? Cause it's fun. 

+1

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with all the playoff implications i think all the teams will loose except perhaps the redskins, so the jags will draft at 2 or 3 and for me three is fine. 2 reduces the chance of us getting jumped over and thus i'll push out a quick top 5 mock

 

I think the texans will go qb

when you look at where there team has fallen down this season, there d despite not being great has been top 10 in the league, its those picks from matt schaub and case keenum that have cut them up plus no arian foster

New head coach with the number one pick  will want to get his guy under centre asap. Right now the consensus number 1 is bridgewater so I'm going texans teddy

 

second for the rams is fun, i can't see them going pass rush with their talent on d or qb as they have given bradford a contract. I see them looking below at whats following them and trading down and still getting there guy. I reckon they will trade with the browns who have stockpiled picks and with 2 numbers 1s  can afford to give up some to leap over us and oakland and stop minnesota leaping them.

 

Considering there enthusiasm with weedon in a vertical offense I think the browns will pick up derek carr who does throw a nice deep ball for all i dislike about him

 

i think at 3 with clowney and barr on the board jags have to go de, I'd love us to trade down or take a qb but i think with that sort of talent you have to take a de especially as we need one. I call no smoke without fire on clowney's personality issues which I think will put the jags off, especially with bradely wanting guys that love football. So the jags take anthony barr at 3

 

oakland: I think oakland will look at mcgloin and pryor and give them another year due to their potential and the lack of talent on the dline and the chance of a marquee prospect will be too much to resist. Clowney at 4

 

Sniggering behind their hands the rams will then take jake matthews at 5 having got there guy and extra picks in the bargain

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Hey All.  I'm a Bronco fan who enjoys talking to all sorts of fans because I love football.  I'm not here to talk smack, just like getting different perspectives from all sorts of fans.

 

I've read through this thread and I find it fascinating.  There are some similarities to the Broncos of '09, and '10 in that some fans wanted the team to lose, mostly because McDaniels was a train wreck and we wanted him fired as soon as possible; of course, this came to fruition.  I was definitely one of the fans who was willing to take some sort term losses in the hopes of building for the long term.  Turned out pretty well.  My point is, all fans have a different perspective on how they want their team to move in the future.  I personally don't think it makes you a "bad fan" to hope for losses as long as you believe it will make your team better in the near and long term future.  I agree with the winning culture perspective, but winning has a lot to do with talent.

 

Fact is, teams need quality QB play to compete these days.  Modern football is made to score by the pass.  A good running game is still important, don't get me wrong, but a good running game with a mediocre "game manager" doesn't get you as far these days.

 

Drafting a QB is a scary prospect because all draft picks are a crap shoot to a certain degree.  I personally don't think Bridgewater is a slam dunk, no brainer like Luck was.  Trying to be competitive while grooming a rookie QB is a tough endevour that holds no guarantees.  Also, drafting a QB with your #1 pick can be devastating to a franchise if he doesn't work out - as you all know.

 

I can definitely understand the attraction to a hyped, flashy QB like Bridgewater.  My question is: Do you all think drafting a QB is your best move, or do you try and trade down and stockpile picks and bring in a vet QB who can hold down the fort while grooming a young QB of the future?  Just curious if any of you see a vet QB you'd like to see while building up your team.

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Send someone at Lucks knee and show him that we're still playing for next year.... 15 yard penalty...ha

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I ain't no monkey... I'm an ape.

Hey All.  I'm a Bronco fan who enjoys talking to all sorts of fans because I love football.  I'm not here to talk smack, just like getting different perspectives from all sorts of fans.

 

I've read through this thread and I find it fascinating.  There are some similarities to the Broncos of '09, and '10 in that some fans wanted the team to lose, mostly because McDaniels was a train wreck and we wanted him fired as soon as possible; of course, this came to fruition.  I was definitely one of the fans who was willing to take some sort term losses in the hopes of building for the long term.  Turned out pretty well.  My point is, all fans have a different perspective on how they want their team to move in the future.  I personally don't think it makes you a "bad fan" to hope for losses as long as you believe it will make your team better in the near and long term future.  I agree with the winning culture perspective, but winning has a lot to do with talent.

 

Fact is, teams need quality QB play to compete these days.  Modern football is made to score by the pass.  A good running game is still important, don't get me wrong, but a good running game with a mediocre "game manager" doesn't get you as far these days.

 

Drafting a QB is a scary prospect because all draft picks are a crap shoot to a certain degree.  I personally don't think Bridgewater is a slam dunk, no brainer like Luck was.  Trying to be competitive while grooming a rookie QB is a tough endevour that holds no guarantees.  Also, drafting a QB with your #1 pick can be devastating to a franchise if he doesn't work out - as you all know.

 

I can definitely understand the attraction to a hyped, flashy QB like Bridgewater.  My question is: Do you all think drafting a QB is your best move, or do you try and trade down and stockpile picks and bring in a vet QB who can hold down the fort while grooming a young QB of the future?  Just curious if any of you see a vet QB you'd like to see while building up your team.

 

Welcome to the board, Broncos Guy. Denver was one of my favoritre teams before I started rooting for the Jaguars in 1997 and I still like the Broncos so I wanted Denver to win in Week 6 for playoff reasons (especially with the Chiefs still being undefeated). But one of my favorite Jaguars plays this season is Paul Posluszny's pick 6.

 

When Josh McDaniels was the coach in Denver, I was as mad at Pat Bowlen as Chargers fans were at Ed Hochuli. I believe in the phrase, "If it is not broke, don't fix it." At the time Mike Shanahan was fired, the Broncos were not broken. But I am happy with their current direction under John Fox and (for four weeks) Jack Del Rio.

 

I understand why people say losing now helps the Jaguars in the future only because I know many fans are stupid. My issue with them is they assume Teddy Bridgewater will definitely go #1 overall, only a 0-16 team can get that pick, and we specifically need Bridgewater to be our next quarterback. All of those statements are false. How do I know that?

 

1. At this point last year, most people thought Geno Smith would go #1 overall. He fell out of the first round.

2. Only one team in NFL history (the 2008 Lions) had that record, but every year a team clinches the #1 pick.

3. Quarterbacks drafted #1 overall are not always the best QB in their class (see Tim Couch and Alex Smith).

 

So why does anybody think the only way to solve our quarterback problem is lose every game and draft Teddy Bridgewater with the #1 pick? Those fans are annoying to me and one reason I am happy about Jacksonville's four wins. But I totally understand the "lose now for a better future" idea, even though I don't agree with it at all.

 

To answer your question: If the best quarterback in next year's draft is still available at our pick number, trading down is stupid. We have 10 picks because of trades (one pick from the Lions and two from the Ravens) and can't afford to settle for the second-best quarterback in a weak class or wait a year for Jameis Winston to come out.

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Welcome to the board, Broncos Guy. Denver was one of my favoritre teams before I started rooting for the Jaguars in 1997 and I still like the Broncos so I wanted Denver to win in Week 6 for playoff reasons (especially with the Chiefs still being undefeated). But one of my favorite Jaguars plays this season is Paul Posluszny's pick 6.


When Josh McDaniels was the coach in Denver, I was as mad at Pat Bowlen as Chargers fans were at Ed Hochuli. I believe in the phrase, "If it is not broke, don't fix it." At the time Mike Shanahan was fired, the Broncos were not broken. But I am happy with their current direction under John Fox and (for four weeks) Jack Del Rio.


I understand why people say losing now helps the Jaguars in the future only because I know many fans are stupid. My issue with them is they assume Teddy Bridgewater will definitely go #1 overall, only a 0-16 team can get that pick, and we specifically need Bridgewater to be our next quarterback. All of those statements are false. How do I know that?


1. At this point last year, most people thought Geno Smith would go #1 overall. He fell out of the first round.

2. Only one team in NFL history (the 2008 Lions) had that record, but every year a team clinches the #1 pick.

3. Quarterbacks drafted #1 overall are not always the best QB in their class (see Tim Couch and Alex Smith).


So why does anybody think the only way to solve our quarterback problem is lose every game and draft Teddy Bridgewater with the #1 pick? Those fans are annoying to me and one reason I am happy about Jacksonville's four wins. But I totally understand the "lose now for a better future" idea, even though I don't agree with it at all.


To answer your question: If the best quarterback in next year's draft is still available at our pick number, trading down is stupid. We have 10 picks because of trades (one pick from the Lions and two from the Ravens) and can't afford to settle for the second-best quarterback in a weak class or wait a year for Jameis Winston to come out.

HOW CAN YOU BE A JAGS FAN AND ROOT FOR THE BRONCOS IN WEEK 6?!

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HOW CAN YOU BE A JAGS FAN AND ROOT FOR THE BRONCOS IN WEEK 6?!

She isn't a real fan.

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She isn't a real fan.

She gets mad at people who wanted the team to tank yet she was rooting for Denver??


C'mon woman!

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By saying you wanted the Broncos to win yet maintain the team shouldn't tank you void yourself of the right to tell anyone how this team should or should not treat this season.  You straight up cheered on the other team then come on here and post like you care.how does it feel to be a traitor BENEDICT?

 

- Jags 4 Merica

 

Also Denver sucked until they got Peyton.

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Just a thought:

 

If Caldwell was really worried of a team leapfrogging us he would just offer a trade himself.  Say he offers a 5th and our 1st to move up one spot it's a win/win for both teams.  The Rams have Sam Bradford who has a career rating of over 90.  They are in desperate need of protection so they are going Jake Matthews.  The Jags may want to go either a QB or Clowney in the 1st round.  There is no danger of the Jags taking another tackle because Joeckle will be 100% by training camp and the 2 current starting tackles are playing pretty well. 

Well, kinda sorta, but if the team holding, say, the 6th pick calls up and offers that pick plus a second-round pick this year, along with first and third-round picks next year, the Rams would probably take that offer over our fifth this year.

 

Top-ten jumps involving only a single mid-round pick are pretty rare. Tampa took us up on it for Blackmon because they knew that their guy would be there at seven, so why not pick up a selection? Cleveland traded from four to three for Richardson because they were being run by a group of absolute idiots who were psyched into trading up a slot for him, then psyched into drafting a 28-year-old QB of the "future" later in the first round. Point being, if there's someone who's really worth trading up for there, especially if that someone is a QB or DE, there will probably be multiple bids.

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