Exactly the same kind of logic.


Why do you think there havn't been any majorly successful white running backs since the early 80s? Considering there were a ton of great white running backs during that time. Do you think white people just got bad at running the ball? No of course not. Skin colour doesn't matter, performance does.

Marquette King is one the best punters in the league, by your logic the Raiders should have completely ignored him because he is black and there has never been a good black punter before. 

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While I agree with you in principle, I disagree with you regarding the emphasized portion.

 

There were at least two pretty good black punters prior to King.

 

The Vikings had a punter in the early to mid 1980s named Greg Coleman.  http://www.pro-football-reference.com/pl...leGr20.htm

 

A higher profile guy, especially in these parts, was Reggie Roby, who had a very good career punting for the Dolphins during the Marino era.  He played for 15 years and was a 3 time Pro Bowler.

 

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/pl...byRe20.htm

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While I agree with you in principle, I disagree with you regarding the emphasized portion.


There were at least two pretty good black punters prior to King.


The Vikings had a punter in the early to mid 1980s named Greg Coleman. <a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/ColeGr20.htm'>http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/ColeGr20.htm</a>


A higher profile guy, especially in these parts, was Reggie Roby, who had a very good career punting for the Dolphins during the Marino era. He played for 15 years and was a 3 time Pro Bowler.

<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RobyRe20.htm'>http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RobyRe20.htm</a>

Cheers, sometimes you actually do learn things in this place.

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When was the last time there was a white running back who could do the things McCaffery can do? Roger Craig?


This kid is legit and the Jags would be lucky to have him.

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When was the last time there was a white running back who could do the things McCaffery can do? Roger Craig?


This kid is legit and the Jags would be lucky to have him.

Roger Craig was not white.  https://images.search.yahoo.com/yhs/sear...tion=click

 

To continue the discussion I began with JagsfanJay, I think had Mike Alstott been put in a similar offensive approach as Riggins, he would have produced well, too.  But being in a different offense, and having to share the rock with Warrick Dunn, he didn't get the number of carries.

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What other previous white RBs had the skill set McCaffrey has?

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What other previous white RBs had the skill set McCaffrey has?

I guess it depends upon what you identify as his skill sets.

 

If you view him as I do, as largely a receiving back, you could make the argument that Danny Woodhead is a poor man's McCaffrey.  He doesn't have the speed or the size, but a similar game.

 

But if you view him as a complete back who can run between the tackles, etc., I'd have to go back to a talented guy who had a short career, Craig James, Eric Dickerson's college backfield mate.

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Im not sure McCaffrey will be worth it that high of a pick.  Unless you are getting an Adrian Peterson type in the first round, I dont believe RBs should be drafted before the 3rd round.  Short life spans.  Easy to plug guys in.  

 

I do think McCaffrey will have a really good career if on the right team.  The Patriots are the obvious choice.  But any team that gets creative with their RBs / slot WRs will do well to have McCaffrey on their team.  Sadly I dont think he'd do well on the Jags.  Can you picture Bortles hitting McCaffrey in stride 5 yards off the line?  I cant.  

 

As far as white dudes in general, I do think there is some reverse racism going on coupled with coaches always playing it safe.  If you are unsure about two players, I think any coach would naturally lean towards the black guy.  I complain about this all the time in many aspects of football.  But I think a coach, especially the higher level of football you get to, would rather lose playing it safe than take chances on doing something different.  Whether it be innovative offenses, going for it on 4th down more often, etc, etc...  I think your career is much better off just doing it the same way most others are and then if you lose you can always blame it on not having enough talent.  

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Looking at this mock, the 1st round pick of Allen is obviously a slam dunk. After that it gets hard. If Bortles shows little improvement the rest of this season, Caldwell or his replacement has to seriously consider the best q.b. on the board. Watson or Mahomes would be definite possibilities depending on all the post-season workouts, combines, etc. If neither looks great, then I'd have to go with Feeney or Pocic. The 3rd rounder has to be an offensive lineman if they go q.b. in the 2nd and this would preferably be an interior lineman. Roderick Johnson is another name who would be a good 3rd round pick, especially if the Jaguars are unable to find a good right tackle in free agency. Johnson could play either tackle position. 

 

As far as McCaffrey or any other back in the 2nd, I'd have to pass unless Cook or Foreman fall like Jack did last year. Very, very unlikely.

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I'm black, and I think there are many whites who could play RB or CB who get switched to other positions, based in part upon racial presumptions.

 

Yes, Gerhart was a flop, but Mike Alstott did well as a FB/one back.

 

As for McCaffrey, I question his ability to run between the tackles.  He strikes me as a less glamorous Reggie Bush.  Not because he's white.

 

I think he would be a tremendous asset to a team with a creative or pass heavy offense, like New Orleans.  But if you are looking for a between the tackles, move the chains type, I'm not sure at this point if he's the guy.  I might be swayed if, by the combine, he adds another 10-15 lbs and still retains his speed and quickness.

 

 

Alstott was a good runner, but as you said, he was a FB. It's a different type of position. 

 

I personally, would like an in between the tackles type of runner who can move the chains, but has the added element of that 2nd gear to break free in the open field and rip off a long run. I see a few RB's in this draft with that quality. I just don't want to waste a pick on an "experiment" like McCaffrey, when we may be able to find an Adrian Peterson or DeMarco Murray type runner. 

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Exactly the same kind of logic.

Why do you think there havn't been any majorly successful white running backs since the early 80s? Considering there were a ton of great white running backs during that time. Do you think white people just got bad at running the ball? No of course not. Skin colour doesn't matter, performance does.


Marquette King is one the best punters in the league, by your logic the Raiders should have completely ignored him because he is black and there has never been a good black punter before.

 

 

I have no idea, but the fact remains that they haven't been successful. If skin color doesn't matter, explain to me why there hasn't been any great caucasian RB's since the 80's? 

 

Again, with King, it isn't that African American players couldn't punt. It's that they didn't want to. There was just a lack of black players at the position. They chose to play other positions. Can you blame them? Why would anyone want to be a punter, when they could be anything else on the team? 

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When was the last time there was a white running back who could do the things McCaffery can do? Roger Craig?


This kid is legit and the Jags would be lucky to have him.

 

 

People said the same thing about Gerhart. I know, because I saw the exact same types of comments all over the internet when he was coming out of college. If you can find some old message boards from that time, (I'm not going to. That could take hours), I guarantee you'd find similar comments. 

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Looking at this mock, the 1st round pick of Allen is obviously a slam dunk. After that it gets hard. If Bortles shows little improvement the rest of this season, Caldwell or his replacement has to seriously consider the best q.b. on the board. Watson or Mahomes would be definite possibilities depending on all the post-season workouts, combines, etc. If neither looks great, then I'd have to go with Feeney or Pocic. The 3rd rounder has to be an offensive lineman if they go q.b. in the 2nd and this would preferably be an interior lineman. Roderick Johnson is another name who would be a good 3rd round pick, especially if the Jaguars are unable to find a good right tackle in free agency. Johnson could play either tackle position. 

 

As far as McCaffrey or any other back in the 2nd, I'd have to pass unless Cook or Foreman fall like Jack did last year. Very, very unlikely.

 

 

I don't know if I'd consider Roderick Johnson as an OT. That guy has had some very rough games this year. At times, he actually looks like a downgrade from Jeremy Parnell. I certainly hope we could find a better option at RT. Obviously, like you said, interior O-Linemen have to be a priority and I'd be happy with Feeney, Pocic or Elflein. They are the cream of the crop, but as for QB, I'm against taking one before round 3. I just don't see any QB in this draft worth taking a chance on with a high pick. The whole class is kind of "meh". We have other positions of need that could be filled with much lower risk type players. 

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I have no idea, but the fact remains that they haven't been successful. If skin color doesn't matter, explain to me why there hasn't been any great caucasian RB's since the 80's?


Again, with King, it isn't that African American players couldn't punt. It's that they didn't want to. There was just a lack of black players at the position. They chose to play other positions. Can you blame them? Why would anyone want to be a punter, when they could be anything else on the team?

There are probably at most 20 white starting RBs in college football right now who are white.


Exactly, it isn't that African american players couldn't punt. It isn't that white players can't be great running backs, there just isn't that many of them anymore. When there was tons of white running backs in college, there was many great white RBs in the NFL too.


Skin colour doesn't make a difference to how someone will perform. But you already know that. You can dislike McCaffrey for how he plays and his style but his colour should make zero difference to how you judge him as a player.

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Hypothetical: A white running back who is 6'0 225 , runs a 4.3 with a 40" vert. Plays for Ohio State and runs for 2,500 yards in a season and scores 30 TDs.


Would you draft him?

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Hypothetical: A white running back who is 6'0 225 , runs a 4.3 with a 40" vert. Plays for Ohio State and runs for 2,500 yards in a season and scores 30 TDs.


Would you draft him?

 

 

No, because history tells me he won't be successful in the NFL. Until this changes or until our team becomes good enough (ala the New England Patriots), that we can make luxury picks on "experiments", I will stick with lower risk players. 

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No, because history tells me he won't be successful in the NFL. Until this changes or until our team becomes good enough (ala the New England Patriots), that we can make luxury picks on "experiments", I will stick with lower risk players.

Even if he had better tape than Foreman?

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Even if he had better tape than Foreman?

 

 

I can't imagine that, but I wouldn't draft him, even if he had a better tape than Foreman. I don't like taking risk with high picks. I'm all about taking players I feel can excel in the NFL. I'm sorry if some people disagree, but I'm just not much of a gambler. 

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I can't imagine that, but I wouldn't draft him, even if he had a better tape than Foreman. I don't like taking risk with high picks. I'm all about taking players I feel can excel in the NFL. I'm sorry if some people disagree, but I'm just not much of a gambler.

Okay so mega star college running back with crazy measurables, crazy production and has better tape than a guy you would draft in the 1st round.....but he is completely undraftable to you if he has white skin?

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Okay so mega star college running back with crazy measurables, crazy production and has better tape than a guy you would draft in the 1st round.....but he is completely undraftable to you if he has white skin?

This isn't really a hypothetical. Toby Gerhart had very good size, crazy measurables (90% SPARQ), crazy production, and great tape. Had he not been drafted to a team behind AD that also made him put on 25 lbs to turn into a HB/FB/Hback blend I think he would have had good success.

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Okay so mega star college running back with crazy measurables, crazy production and has better tape than a guy you would draft in the 1st round.....but he is completely undraftable to you if he has white skin?

 

 

Until history proves me wrong, this is correct. 

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