2015 CMP ATT CMP% Yards AVG TD INT

Ryan Fitzpatrick 16 335 562 59.6 3,905 6.95 31 15 Blake Bortles 355 606 58.6 4,428 7.31 35 18


Both had a QB rating at 88


If your argument is what if hes as good as Fitzpatrick then why not give Bortles next year since hes already at least proven once he can play at the same level


On the flip side of your argument here we could just as easily get 2016 Fitz with Mcarron and lose yet another year and a pick.

The argument isnt "What if hes as good as fitzpatrick" holy [BLEEP] how do you guys function without reading comprehension?


The argument is, if an offense can be effective with fitzpatrick, Why would there be opposition to a quarterback with the same physical arm talent as Fitzpatrick who was better at the skills Fitz wasnt good at? Making him a muchhhhhh better qb than one that was already effective in a good scheme with talent.


And if AJ Mcarron is Fitz then yeah the risk didnt pay off, but thats kinda the whole concept of risk and reward. You risk what's necessary and It could pay off or it might not.

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Lets just assume its a 2nd round pick for the sake of scenario. You dont think rounds 1/3/4/5/6/7 and FA are enough to quell some of those issues? Even with keeping our picks were not going to fix ALL of our issues. But i dont agree with the idea that sacrificing one pick can nullify our efforts to fix our other holes. Especially when the pick in question is being used in effort to potentially secure the most important position.

 

For a 2nd round pick it better solve that most important position. The way I see it is we need a new RT, maybe a new LT, a new OLB, new TE, possibly another RB, depth on the interior o line,  as well as a new QB.  The 5,6,7 picks are unlikely to yield starters, so that leaves us with 1,3,4. That leaves you with free agents and we know what a crapshoot that can be.  I'd rather wait on QB, build the team through the draft, wait for the right qb instead of reaching for one now. If Bortles sucks royally this year, we can be rid of him then, draft a QB in a decent QB draft class. We aren't ready to win next year, theres no reason to reach.

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Calling Deshawn Watson a future bust since 3/19/17. If I eat crow, I will keep this in here and proclaim JackCity a genius. 

For a 2nd round pick it better solve that most important position. The way I see it is we need a new RT, maybe a new LT, a new OLB, new TE, possibly another RB, depth on the interior o line, as well as a new QB. The 5,6,7 picks are unlikely to yield starters, so that leaves us with 1,3,4. That leaves you with free agents and we know what a crapshoot that can be. I'd rather wait on QB, build the team through the draft, wait for the right qb instead of reaching for one now. If Bortles sucks royally this year, we can be rid of him then, draft a QB in a decent QB draft class. We aren't ready to win next year, theres no reason to reach.

The only absolutely immediate needs are the ones on the oline, pass rusher, and QB. The rest you named are uprgradeable but arent black holes by any stretch.

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Lack of black holes doesn't win superbowls. We went, what 9 games without an INT? Clearly we need more playmakers, not just more non-black holes. 

 

Edit: I see you edited pass rusher into there. Those are some pretty big holes dont you think?

 

Edit: Skuta sucks, so if we move jack to MLB, we need an OLB, or the other way around. Are you buying Tashawn Gipson at FS? I am not. 

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Calling Deshawn Watson a future bust since 3/19/17. If I eat crow, I will keep this in here and proclaim JackCity a genius. 

Lack of black holes doesn't win superbowls. We went, what 9 games without an INT? Clearly we need more playmakers, not just more non-black holes.

Man you guys are really just not smart.


Do you think we desperately need a TE so badly its vastly effecting our w/l column? Do you think if we put a premium on oline our running back problem would be as significant as youre making it? Do you think a scheme change would allow all 3 of our best linebackers to be on the field at the same time eliminating the need to out a premium on that position group right this second?


Again, do you really think 6 rounds in a draft and a free agency period isnt enough to find a pass rusher, a couple starting linemen, and depth at both the oline and the LB position?

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The argument isnt "What if hes as good as fitzpatrick" holy [BAD WORD REMOVED] how do you guys function without reading comprehension?


The argument is, if an offense can be effective with fitzpatrick, Why would there be opposition to a quarterback with the same physical arm talent as Fitzpatrick who was better at the skills Fitz wasnt good at? Making him a muchhhhhh better qb than one that was already effective in a good scheme with talent.


And if AJ Mcarron is Fitz then yeah the risk didnt pay off, but thats kinda the whole concept of risk and reward. You risk what's necessary and It could pay off or it might not.

I was posting that before I saw your second post so come off it.

 

your forgetting one important part to that system a running game something we don`t have. Since your such a could bes and what ifs, who`s to say if we had a running game Bortles can`t play like he did last year.

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Man you guys are really just not smart.


Do you think we desperately need a TE so badly its vastly effecting our w/l column? Do you think if we put a premium on oline our running back problem would be as significant as youre making it? Do you think a scheme change would allow all 3 of our best linebackers to be on the field at the same time eliminating the need to out a premium on that position group right this second?

Again, do you really think 6 rounds in a draft and a free agency period isnt enough to find a pass rusher, a couple starting linemen, and depth at both the oline and the LB position?

Seeing as how those have been the same issues we`ve had for the last 3 years i`m going to say 6 rounds may not be enough.

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And pass rusher is really only included if you dont believe in dante fowler(I dont)


If the coaching staff or dave decides hes cool with yannick and fowler at the edge and malik inside and just believes more development and a scheme change will fix that issue then you can cross that one off. Then that just leaves the oline and depth.

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Man you guys are really just not smart.


Do you think we desperately need a TE so badly its vastly effecting our w/l column? Do you think if we put a premium on oline our running back problem would be as significant as youre making it? Do you think a scheme change would allow all 3 of our best linebackers to be on the field at the same time eliminating the need to out a premium on that position group right this second?


Again, do you really think 6 rounds in a draft and a free agency period isnt enough to find a pass rusher, a couple starting linemen, and depth at both the oline and the LB position?

I'm not saying we must have a blue chip TE but we do need playmakers. If a Rob Grownkowski is sitting around in round 2, would you rather have him or AJ? I think you've bought into the winning the offseason hype. You think we are ready to push the playoffs if we mortgage the future for a journeyman qb with some upside. I see a 3-13 team with a new coach, some decent players, and very few playmakers. 

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Calling Deshawn Watson a future bust since 3/19/17. If I eat crow, I will keep this in here and proclaim JackCity a genius. 

Seeing as how those have been the same issues we`ve had for the last 3 years i`m going to say 6 rounds may not be enough.

6 rounds is enough if your GM is competent. But if he isnt then everything is pretty much moot isnt it?

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And pass rusher is really only included if you dont believe in dante fowler(I dont)


If the coaching staff or dave decides hes cool with yannick and fowler at the edge and malik inside and just believes more development and a scheme change will fix that issue then you can cross that one off. Then that just leaves the oline and depth.

Completely false.

 

You can be the biggest fan of Ngakoue and Fowler, but I'd still like to see them add another pass rusher. You can flat out never have enough pass rushers, ever.

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I'm not saying we must have a blue chip TE but we do need playmakers. If a Rob Grownkowski is sitting around in round 2, would you rather have him or AJ? I think you've bought into the winning the offseason hype. You think we are ready to push the playoffs if we mortgage the future for a journeyman qb with some upside. I see a 3-13 team with a new coach, some decent players, and very few playmakers.

I never said anything about playoffs or offseason hype, I literally have no idea what youre even talking about. And mortgaging the future? a second round pick for a qb with one year on his deal is mortgaging the future now? Are you guys really that scared of risk that any trade is a mortgage of the future?

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Completely false.


You can be the biggest fan of Ngakoue and Fowler, but I'd still like to see them add another pass rusher. You can flat out never have enough pass rushers, ever.

Im saying if Dave doesnt believe theyre at a lack of pass rushing talent and just need a new coach/scheme then its not pertinent enough to significantly impact everything else. Im not saying we dont need more even if we like everyone we already have, Its just the scenario that if dave believes we have enough to not put a premium on it.

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In recent years we have seen other teams take these mid round athletic QBs and really make it work with smart play calling and a good supporting cast-- Wilson, Dak, Tyrod Taylor come to mind. Why can't we at least try something like that? Instead of trading a 2nd round pick, why not draft one in 3,4,5ish range and see what we can do? Where do you think Quinton Flowers will fall if he comes out?

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Calling Deshawn Watson a future bust since 3/19/17. If I eat crow, I will keep this in here and proclaim JackCity a genius. 

I never said anything about playoffs or offseason hype, I literally have no idea what youre even talking about. And mortgaging the future? a second round pick for a qb with one year on his deal is mortgaging the future now? Are you guys really that scared of risk that any trade is a mortgage of the future?

 

If you think we only have a couple holes and a QB issues to fix, you must at least think that would make us a playoff team no? Seems like that is saying we are close, that we should reach for a QB and that will solve our ills. Generally speaking, game managers are not winning superbowls. Last year, Manning---he won cause that defense and that's it. Before that, I would say the last game manager to win was Brad Johnson in 03. If you arent trying to win a superbowl with a QB, what the heck else are we trying for?

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Calling Deshawn Watson a future bust since 3/19/17. If I eat crow, I will keep this in here and proclaim JackCity a genius. 

I still don`t understand what skills you see in Mccaron that makes you think he could be anything more then average awful. From what I can tell you feel hes just that but on the off chance he may be better hey lets trade a 2nd for him, which at that point why not just do that in the 4th round.

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Im saying if Dave doesnt believe theyre at a lack of pass rushing talent and just need a new coach/scheme then he most likely wouldnt take one. Im not saying we dont need more even if we like everyone we already have, Its just the scenario that dave believes we have enough to not put a premium on it.

There's literally no Offensive players worth a top 5 pick in this draft imo. It has to be a Defensive pick in my honest opinion (unless a trade down of course).

 

Garrett, Allen, Williams, Barnett, Adams and even Peppers before anybody on the Offensive side of the ball in this draft, in the top 5.

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There's literally no Offensive players worth a top 5 pick in this draft imo. It has to be a Defensive pick in my honest opinion (unless a trade down of course).


Garrett, Allen, Williams, Barnett, Adams and even Peppers before anybody on the Offensive side of the ball in this draft, in the top 5.

It has to be a defensive pick but not necessarily a pass rusher. But, let me clarify by saying i believe its going to be a pass rusher at this point. Obviously theres lots of time left but thats a pretty easy assumption so i dont disagree. Skipping on a pass rusher is purely a what if scenario.

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If you think we only have a couple holes and a QB issues to fix, you must at least think that would make us a playoff team no? Seems like that is saying we are close, that we should reach for a QB and that will solve our ills. Generally speaking, game managers are not winning superbowls. Last year, Manning---he won cause that defense and that's it. Before that, I would say the last game manager to win was Brad Johnson in 03. If you arent trying to win a superbowl with a QB, what the heck else are we trying for?

Oline, QB, Pass Rusher are gaping holes that are dragging our wins down by such a wide margin because theyre the most important units on the field.


Tight end, running back, depth etc. are positions we could be better in, but dont need to cite as immediate needs that have to absolutely be fixed with the same urgency as the first group.


This is somewhat of an oversimplification but If you fix the first group, the second group can do well enough and youre not going 3-13 and can actually improve. Then you fix the second group and thats when you actually take a step into being a playoff/sb contender.

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Oline, QB, Pass Rusher are gaping holes that are dragging our wins down by such a wide margin because theyre the most important units on the field.


Tight end, running back, depth etc. are positions we could be better in, but dont need to cite as immediate needs that have to absolutely be fixed with the same urgency as the first group.

This is somewhat of an oversimplification but If you fix the first group, the second group can do well enough and youre not going 3-13 and can actually improve. Then you fix the second group and thats when you actually take a step into being a playoff/sb contender.

Couldn`t the same be said for Running Back when it comes to our Quarterback play?

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