It had everything to do with you acting like a clown as if you one upped someone on the internet. The poster above clearly had acknowledged that season. Changing the frame of the argument doesn't alter that.


Over the course of his career, Ivory has not had a fumbling problem. Being an aging RB tends to not be a cause for fumbles.

I don't think you are very bright.  I wouldn't consider that an outlier if he had 4 fumbles the year before.  I doubt Tom cares what he did years ago.  This league is about what have you done for me latley.  If he continues to keep turning the ball over I doubt he will be here next year.  You are the same clown that said we shouldn't sign Alex Mack lol.  95% of us wanted him here and he was a stud in Atl.

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I don't think you are very bright. I wouldn't consider that an outlier if he had 4 fumbles the year before. I doubt Tom cares what he did years ago. This league is about what have you done for me latley. If he continues to keep turning the ball over I doubt he will be here next year. You are the same clown that said we shouldn't sign Alex Mack lol.

Take a stats course friend and you will know what an outlier means.



My ego can take the shot. I was wrong on Mack. But I am glad I have someone keeping track of me. Gives my wife time off.

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Take a stats course friend and you will know what an outlier means.



My ego can take the shot. I was wrong on Mack. But I am glad I have someone keeping track of me. Gives my wife time off.

Not hard to forget the guy that says he watches all the Browns games and thinks Mack is no good after he has a bit of a down year the year after he tears is ACL, shocker.  It was you just trying to be the smartest guy in the room again and failed

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  I wouldn't consider that an outlier if he had 4 fumbles the year before.  

 

 

My use of the term "outlier" regarding Ivory's 2016 fumble stat seems misused at first glance. 

 

When you consider that he fumbled once per every 62 carries in 2015 and once per every 23 carries in 2016  -- the "outlier" term still makes perfect sense. 

 

I agree with you on the "what have you done lately" notion , and I agree that TC will have very little patience on recommending Ivory is benched/cut should the problem persist.  But the fumbles last year were out of character for Ivory and I believe he'll have a shot at being a contributor here next season despite them. 

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My use of the term "outlier" regarding Ivory's 2016 fumble stat seems misused at first glance. 

 

When you consider that he fumbled once per every 62 carries in 2015 and once per every 23 carries in 2016  -- the "outlier" term still makes perfect sense. 

 

I agree with you on the "what have you done lately" notion , and I agree that TC will have very little patience on recommending Ivory is benched/cut should the problem persist.  But the fumbles last year were out of character for Ivory and I believe he'll have a shot at being a contributor here next season despite them. 

I agree with you there.  As much as I like Ivory I still would like to get an elite RB in this class and I think there are 4 guys that could possibly be elite

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Not hard to forget the guy that says he watches all the Browns games and thinks Mack is no good after he has a bit of a down year the year after he tears is ACL, shocker. It was you just trying to be the smartest guy in the room again and failed

As a general rule, people tend not to bounce back well from an ACL injury in their 30s. I was wrong and he bounced back. I don't get hung up on trying to be the smartest guy on an internet forum. Someone else can wear that cardboard crown.

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Fournette seems to be a Tom Coughlin type running back. He is huge and has above average speed to go with his size. If Jonathan Allen is gone I wouldn't mind picking Fournette if we are able to fix the OL in free agency. 

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Fournette seems to be a Tom Coughlin type running back. He is huge and has above average speed to go with his size. If Jonathan Allen is gone I wouldn't mind picking Fournette if we are able to fix the OL in free agency. 

 

I think that can be said for 3 RB's in this class (Fournette, Foreman and Perine.) All three are big, powerful RB's with breakaway ability. On top of that, all three have another attribute Coughlin values, high character. I can see any of those guys as a RB target for Coughlin in the draft.

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I think that can be said for 3 RB's in this class (Fournette, Foreman and Perine.) All three are big, powerful RB's with breakaway ability. On top of that, all three have another attribute Coughlin values, high character. I can see any of those guys as a RB target for Coughlin in the draft.

 

What about toughness and longevity? Fournette seems to run over anyone that comes in his way and his stiff arm is powerful. 

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Did he really run 40 yards in a game with all his equipment on and it wasn't even straight in 3.9 seconds? He could easily run 4.4 or better if this is true. 

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Faster than Fred??? He ran a 4.29.

I think it was a 4.39

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I think Tom will like Ivory. We could use a true change of pace back like Samuel in the 3rd round or so. Great RB class with lots of different flavors. 

 

Would be crazy if the first time Dave is really forced to admit he screwed up with one of his expensive acquisitions is by largely wasting a top 5 pick on an RB with scary injury concerns in this deep of a RB class. 

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If Watson goes to Cleveland number 1 overall. Then Garrett and Allen are the next 2 picks. That will leave us picking between Fournette, Cook, or Trubisky.

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He also was coming off a off season shoulder surgery, honesty he didn't look his self the first three games of the season even though he had decent stat line the first two.

No point in arguing with someone who clearly has an agenda against Cook because of the jersey he wore and not the talent behind it. Cook is the best RB in the draft. Fournette has and always be a RB that produces only when his line is blocking well. FSU's oline had less talent and played against better defenses yet cook still had big game after big game. He has better vision and speed than Fournette....stop looking at the jersey...that doesn't matter anymore.

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Wouldn't be surprised to see this team take Fournette or Cook at 4th overall but I also wouldn't be surprised to see them take a look at guys later on.

 

Honestly I am hoping somebody like D'Onta Foreman from Texas slips to us in RD2. I wouldn't be against Curtis Samuel out of OSU or Christian McCaffrey out of Stanford either. 

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If we draft a running back we better improve the oline.  No running back will be successful if they are engaged by a defensive lineman due to the  lack of opening a hole to the second line of defense. Yeldon has a nack of making defensive players miss if he gets pass the defensive line and it usually ends in a good four of more yard gain. All teams would  be happy with second and 6 or second and 4 yards aftter first down. He is not a speed back but quit effective when given space to work.  As for Ivory If this guy could stay healthy he would be a top five back with some oline Help.

I don't think he can stay healthy but hey look at Marqise Lee this year. If financially resonable I would keep both backs and draft a power back to replace Ivory should he continue with injury problems. But no back will be successful without better play from the Oline.

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Ivory & Yeldon won't be here much longer. Ivory has a careless disregard for the football and Yeldon is the worst starting RB in the league.

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I ain't no monkey... I'm an ape.

If we draft a running back we better improve the oline. No running back will be successful if they are engaged by a defensive lineman due to the lack of opening a hole to the second line of defense. Yeldon has a nack of making defensive players miss if he gets pass the defensive line and it usually ends in a good four of more yard gain. All teams would be happy with second and 6 or second and 4 yards aftter first down. He is not a speed back but quit effective when given space to work. As for Ivory If this guy could stay healthy he would be a top five back with some oline Help.

I don't think he can stay healthy but hey look at Marqise Lee this year. If financially resonable I would keep both backs and draft a power back to replace Ivory should he continue with injury problems. But no back will be successful without better play from the Oline.

While I agree oline play needs improvement, a good NFL running back should be able to create yards himself. Yeldon too often goes down by first man who hits him. You need to be able to breaks tackle or make a defender miss which simply isn't the case with Yeldon....another bama running back a product of the system.

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My ideal draft would be to trade down, take Cook and load up on linemen..

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