Lawson was definitely not in the mix until much later in the process.

As a top 10 pick? No. As a first round pick? He always was.

 

 

Are there any good NTs in this draft? I like Abry, but if we don't keep him it will be pretty desperate at that important position. Miller may never come back.

I don't see us not keeping him.

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"A man with no sauce is lost.

<p style="text-align:center;">But that same man can get lost in the sauce."

No, he's serious. He said the same thing in the main board before.

Mon Vino you're better than that.

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How much of this has to do with the fact that they were working with no qb and a hobbled Dez.

 

 

Dez hasn't been Dez for a while now. Even this year he's under 800 yards receiving and only has 50 catches. That's pretty underwhelming for a #1 receiver. As far as working with no QB, I know Dak has exceeded all expectations, but he is a rookie. If you add his passing and receiving touchdowns, he's under 30 for the regular season. That's still very good, especially for a rookie and he has contributed to the redzone production, but the vast majority of that jump in redzone touchdowns can be directly attributed to Zeke Elliott. There's no getting around it. 

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As a top 10 pick? No. As a first round pick? He always was.



I don't see us not keeping him.

Yeah im talking top 10 since thats where were at

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Are there any good NTs in this draft? I like Abry, but if we don't keep him it will be pretty desperate at that important position. Miller may never come back.

Davin Tomlinson

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Remember Dave said last year after taking Jack that we are able to take risks now that the team is more talented and deeper along in the rebuild. Btw, I don't think the big knock on Cook is his shoulders I think it's his fumbling,which Coughlin hates.

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Mon Vino you're better than that.

My bad lol

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"A man with no sauce is lost.

<p style="text-align:center;">But that same man can get lost in the sauce."

Remember Dave said last year after taking Jack that we are able to take risks now that the team is more talented and deeper along in the rebuild. Btw, I don't think the big knock on Cook is his shoulders I think it's his fumbling,which Coughlin hates.

Cook missed one game in three years. These injuries people keep pointing to are a real concern.

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Cook missed one game in three years. These injuries people keep pointing to are a real concern.

Sarcasm? Right? Hahaha

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I agree with you that either a HB or S will be our choice. But more specifically I think Adams or Fournette will be our pick. 

 

Its also plausible the draft ends up like 

 

1. BROWNS - Deshaun Watson (Cam Newton like rise)

2. SF - Mitch Trubisky 

3. BEARS - Deshone Kizer 

4. JAGS - Allen or Garrett 

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Dez hasn't been Dez for a while now. Even this year he's under 800 yards receiving and only has 50 catches. That's pretty underwhelming for a #1 receiver. As far as working with no QB, I know Dak has exceeded all expectations, but he is a rookie. If you add his passing and receiving touchdowns, he's under 30 for the regular season. That's still very good, especially for a rookie and he has contributed to the redzone production, but the vast majority of that jump in redzone touchdowns can be directly attributed to Zeke Elliott. There's no getting around it. 

You do remember Dez missed a month with his knee injury and then took a while longer to get back to form? 

 

He's still a monster...as he is proving right now.

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I think right now, basically, our 4th overall pick will come down to the two safeties and two running backs. You can come to this conclusion based off of a few details concerning this draft

 

1. Myles Garrett and Jonathan Allen will both be gone in the top 3 picks.

 

Allen and Garrett will more than likely be seen as the two superstar prospects in this draft and both will be drafted in the top 2-3 picks, given the state of the quarterback situation in this draft. Which leads me to my next point...

 

2. While multiple QBs won't go in the top 3, at least one will.

 

While I don't think multiple QBs are likely to go in the first 3 picks in this draft, I do think a team in the top 3 will talk themselves into drafting one. While none of the top QB prospects are sure things, I can see a team being able to convince themselves to draft one of Trubisky, Kizer, or Watson top 3. I think the QB situation may end up being similar to 2014, where we took Bortles at 3 when no one was expecting it. All 3 of the teams picking in the top 3 need QBs and it's just too thirsty of a QB league for at least one to not take one of them.

 

So, moving with the assumption that Garrett and Allen will likely be gone but no other players outside of a QB, we have to narrow down the top needs for this team. I think those are clearly pass rush, OL, RB, and S. Now, by process of elimination we can rule out some of these:

 

OL: No prospect is worth a top 4 pick in this draft

EDGE: Unfortunately, it doesn't seem Barnett will grade out as a top 5 player and the only other edge rusher in this class who could is Tim Williams, and he may have some drug problems. So, assuming Barnett and Williams are both late first-early second round picks, that rules out a pass rusher worth taking in the top 4 (in comparison to talent at other positions)

 

Now that those two positions are ruled out, we are left at RB and S. The main prospects for these two positions are Fournette, Cook, Adams, and Hooker. Now, the strongest indicator against us drafting a safety top 4 is the past draft history. Looking at NFL draft history overall, no DB has been selected in the top 4 in nearly 20 year. Meanwhile, we have precedent for RBs being selected top 4 this decade with Trent Richardson in 2012 and Ezekiel Elliott just last year. Now, looking at Coughlin's drafting history, he's only taken a DB in the first round of the draft 4 times, and none of those times were in the top 10. Furthermore, all of those DBs were CBs. So Coughlin has essentially never drafted a safety in the first round. And of course we already know first  hand Coughlin spent a top 10 pick on a running back before. Given this track record, it doesn't seem likely a safety is to be drafted by us with a top 4 pick. The only thing that could compromise this line of thinking is the fact we will have a gaping hole at safety once Cyp walks, but given the value of the position, they may wait to draft one in the second round if we don't sign a starter in FA.

 

So, that leaves us at running back. The reason I believe it will be Fournette over Cook is because Tom has shown he like bigger backs, and at 6'1'' 230lbs Fournette is clearly the bigger back to Cook's reported 5'10'' 210-215lbs frame. Furthermore, Matt Miller reported hearing concerns about Cook's shoulder surgeries, which were a concern of my own, and fumbles. These factors could have Cook dropping. Furthermore, Fournette is still seen as a special prospect at his position and will likely grade out ahead of Cook for most FOs, including our's. 

 

Therefore, by process of elimination, Fournette is the most likely pick for us as things stand. I think we will try fortify the OL in FA and sign JPP to boost pass edge pass rush and will either sign a starting safety or draft one in the second round.

One can't argue with your reasoning. Coughlin does like big backs and Fournette is certainly that. My hope is that somehow 2 quarterbacks go in the top 3 so the Jaguars can take either Barrett or Allen. The 2nd best choice would be to trade back and get one of the safeties or running backs with the top pick and use the extra pick to help bolster the offensive line. 

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You do remember Dez missed a month with his knee injury and then took a while longer to get back to form? 

 

He's still a monster...as he is proving right now.

 

 

In this game, yeah. He hasn't played like this all season. Zeke was a beast today. 

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As a top 10 pick? No. As a first round pick? He always was.

 

 

I don't see us not keeping him.

I agree with this. Miller is a very solid player who works very hard and should be able to return at 100%. He is also a veteran leader which this team needs more of. 

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Derrius Guice was the best RB on LSU.

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How fast is this guy?

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How fast is this guy?

 

 

If he runs a sub 4.5/40 he will be a top 10 pick. 

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Browns intelligent? They drafted 5 WRs last year

Wow! If this is true just holy WOWZERS

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Wow! If this is true just holy WOWZERS

Corey Coleman Rd 1

Ricardo Luis Rd 4

Jordan Payton Rd 5

Rashard Higgins Rd 5


So 4, not 5. But still

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IT WAS ALWAYS THE JAGS

Corey Coleman Rd 1

Ricardo Luis Rd 4

Jordan Payton Rd 5

Rashard Higgins Rd 5


So 4, not 5. But still

to be fair they had like 100 picks and no receivers lol. Pre draft all they had was Hawkins, Gordon(free josh gordon btw), and terrelle pryor who they had no idea would be this good.

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