He's been in Jax for 2 days and hasn't done anything but get free food and hotel stay.  Dude has a good gig going on .... just travel the country for a few months and sleep and eat for free.

 

Needs his own Travel channel eating show.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

He's been in Jax for 2 days and hasn't done anything but get free food and hotel stay.  Dude has a good gig going on .... just travel the country for a few months and sleep and eat for free.

 

Not quite that easy.  He has to spend hours and days telling Doug and Tom how he would run the offense.  For the Jags, it's a free consulting service.   I think the Jags come out ahead on that deal. 

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Needs his own Travel channel eating show.

 

ha !!   i used to watch those shows all the time.  

 

perhaps once that one dude dies of a heart attack, Chip can fill in and do the "eat a 20 pound egg omelet in 15 minutes" to emulate his quick offense.

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ha !!   i used to watch those shows all the time.  

 

perhaps once that one dude dies of a heart attack, Chip can fill in and do the "eat a 20 pound egg omelet in 15 minutes" to emulate his quick offense.

Man VS food went on a diet to get healthier.

Started having other people do the food challenges for him while you was just hosting.

 

Probably had a serious chat with a Dr.

He gained weight every season for awhile there haha

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Man VS food went on a diet to get healthier.

Started having other people do the food challenges for him while you was just hosting.

 

Probably had a serious chat with a Dr.

He gained weight every season for awhile there haha

And he would work out for hours before and after the challenges and still gained a ton of weight.

 

He didn't stand a chance.

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If Bortles does not improve he will not be the QB much longer. It was made very clear to everyone that Winning is all that matters. Bortles is on a short leash. If you don't choose to believe it that's your prerogative. I personally dont care who the QB is as long as hes winning games and improving. It seems some of you have separation anxiety with Bortles just like with Gus Bradley. If Bortles isn't making strides this season he wont be our Franchise QB. 

I have no separation anxiety lol

I don't get that emotionally involved with things completely out of my control.

 

I agree, if Bortles does not improve, he will be benched. That leash will be much longer than a few games. And I highly doubt a Romo type player will be brought in.. So Bortles' comp will be Allen, Hoyer, or something to that effect. 

But you've already given up on Bortles. He's done. Toast.

"Sack em both start over"

 

"I don't care who the QB is"

 

which is it?

I won't give up on a QB selected 3rd overall who posted solid stats on a pretty bad team until I know for a fact he's not the guy.

 

In year 4 (hopefully there is no 5th yr option picked up) he'll have a chance to play his way into a contract or a backup role on another team.

I'm patient enough to wait and see.

 

It seems... you are ready to replace him with a new rookie right away.

Watson, Kizer, something like that?

 

Maybe you want to trade for Romo... or McCarron??? IDK...

 

Right now... the best option is for Bortles to be the guy. He can't be the guy if you sack him now.

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And he would work out for hours before and after the challenges and still gained a ton of weight.

 

He didn't stand a chance.

Yeah.... that dudes poor stomach haha

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Not quite that easy.  He has to spend hours and days telling Doug and Tom how he would run the offense.  For the Jags, it's a free consulting service.   I think the Jags come out ahead on that deal. 

 

Let me guess

 

* He'd trade our 1st round pick for Sam Bradford

* He'd get rid of A-Rob and Marqise Lee  (like he did Desean Jackson and Jeremy Maklin) 

* He'd get rid of our #1 RB (like he did Shady McCoy) -- oh wait, we don't have one.

* He'd name [insert white WR here] as the primary WR (like he did with their racist white dude)

* He'd leave town in 2 years and name Gabbert his starter. 

 

I'm really not certain I'd be getting NFL advise from Chip Kelley.

 

Hopefully Coughlin, who came up through the ranks via the offensive channels and made moves to get Brunnel, Taylor, J Smith, and K McCardell has his own ideas about our offense.

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I have no separation anxiety lol

I don't get that emotionally involved with things completely out of my control.

 

I agree, if Bortles does not improve, he will be benched. That leash will be much longer than a few games. And I highly doubt a Romo type player will be brought in.. So Bortles' comp will be Allen, Hoyer, or something to that effect. 

But you've already given up on Bortles. He's done. Toast.

"Sack em both start over"

 

"I don't care who the QB is"

 

which is it?

I won't give up on a QB selected 3rd overall who posted solid stats on a pretty bad team until I know for a fact he's not the guy.

 

In year 4 (hopefully there is no 5th yr option picked up) he'll have a chance to play his way into a contract or a backup role on another team.

I'm patient enough to wait and see.

 

It seems... you are ready to replace him with a new rookie right away.

Watson, Kizer, something like that?

 

Maybe you want to trade for Romo... or McCarron??? IDK...

 

Right now... the best option is for Bortles to be the guy. He can't be the guy if you sack him now.

 

I no longer have confidence in Bortles. It was already thin to begin with. I recall making several threads pointing out his turnover tendencies very early in his career and was ridiculed for it. The Starting QB cant afford to turn the ball over on a consistent basis. He hasn't made a point to reduce the turnovers and thus cannot be a franchise QB. A QB like Alex Smith would make strides on this team solely by methodically moving the chains and relying on his skill position players making plays and relying on a solid defense. An Alex smith type QB on this team with the improvements to come would win the division easily next year because he would make the amount of poor decision that Borltes continuously puts this team in game in and game out. Im not saying I want Alex Smith though, just someone that makes the smart play more often than not. 

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I no longer have confidence in Bortles. It was already thin to begin with. I recall making several threads pointing out his turnover tendencies very early in his career and was ridiculed for it. The Starting QB cant afford to turn the ball over on a consistent basis. He hasn't made a point to reduce the turnovers and thus cannot be a franchise QB. A QB like Alex Smith would make strides on this team solely by methodically moving the chains and relying on his skill position players making plays and relying on a solid defense. An Alex smith type QB on this team with the improvements to come would win the division easily next year because he would make the amount of poor decision that Borltes continuously puts this team in game in and game out. Im not saying I want Alex Smith though, just someone that makes the smart play more often than not. 

I get that.

 

But the answer isn't out there this offseason. Not realistically.


Best case scenario is Bortles turns back time to 2015 while also reducing INTs.

 

Honestly this team has not helped Bortles with the lack of good coaching (suggesting he not go work with House in the offseason was idiotic by Oly). The run game has not improved, whether its RBs or the Olines fault is anyone's guess.

 

I'm not being apologetic for Bortles. He played like straight doo doo most of the season.

But his regression is more about his surroundings than an inability to get better, imo.

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In regards to Bortles I believe that we ruined him more then him not being able to compete.

Its his what 4th year? he went through 3 different OC and maybe even 4 now?

It was a curse for him getting drafted by us when he did

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New Jersey Jaguars fan.

I get that.


But the answer isn't out there this offseason. Not realistically.

Best case scenario is Bortles turns back time to 2015 while also reducing INTs.


Honestly this team has not helped Bortles with the lack of good coaching (suggesting he not go work with House in the offseason was idiotic by Oly). The run game has not improved, whether its RBs or the Olines fault is anyone's guess.


I'm not being apologetic for Bortles. He played like straight doo doo most of the season.

But his regression is more about his surroundings than an inability to get better, imo.

I think it's more about the person taking it upon himself to improve his craft and taking pride in his work. Not waiting to be told how to work out in the off season. Bortles settled and accepted where he was at and expected to just keep going as the year before when in fact he regressed big time. At the same time it was never addressed in any noticeable way by Hackett or anyone else. They just let him keep struggling week after week. I'm not sure he is going to settle down at this point without a huge intervention type of self reflection and commitment to playing smart qb.

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I think it's more about the person taking it upon himself to improve his craft and taking pride in his work. Not waiting to be told how to work out in the off season. Bortles settled and accepted where he was at and expected to just keep going as the year before when in fact he regressed big time. At the same time it was never addressed in any noticeable way by Hackett or anyone else. They just let him keep struggling week after week. I'm not sure he is going to settle down at this point without a huge intervention type of self reflection and commitment to playing smart qb.

Nah man I think you read it all wrong.

Bortles went to Cali, got better. The next offseason his coaches told him to do something else. He listened to his bosses.

His bosses were idiots.

 

Mid-season you are not benching your HOPEFUL franchise player for Henne, at any costs. His regression is directly linked to his poor mechanics because honestly he had more INTs this year due to off target passes than bad decisions.

 

 

Maybe he doesn't turn it around. But he's a young player who has always been self critical, has shown some improvement in his time as an NFL player, so I don't see how you can just say "nah, this is who he is, can't fix him at all"

 

When we've seen guys get better throughout their career, sometimes in strides, sometimes leaps and valleys.

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Nah man I think you read it all wrong.

Bortles went to Cali, got better. The next offseason his coaches told him to do something else. He listened to his bosses.

His bosses were idiots.


Mid-season you are not benching your HOPEFUL franchise player for Henne, at any costs. His regression is directly linked to his poor mechanics because honestly he had more INTs this year due to off target passes than bad decisions.



Maybe he doesn't turn it around. But he's a young player who has always been self critical, has shown some improvement in his time as an NFL player, so I don't see how you can just say "nah, this is who he is, can't fix him at all"


When we've seen guys get better throughout their career, sometimes in strides, sometimes leaps and valleys.

Listen, if you have a son, can he throw a spiral with a football?

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Nah man I think you read it all wrong.

Bortles went to Cali, got better. The next offseason his coaches told him to do something else. He listened to his bosses.

His bosses were idiots.

 

Mid-season you are not benching your HOPEFUL franchise player for Henne, at any costs. His regression is directly linked to his poor mechanics because honestly he had more INTs this year due to off target passes than bad decisions.

 

 

Maybe he doesn't turn it around. But he's a young player who has always been self critical, has shown some improvement in his time as an NFL player, so I don't see how you can just say "nah, this is who he is, can't fix him at all"

 

When we've seen guys get better throughout their career, sometimes in strides, sometimes leaps and valleys.

 

Bro I hate to throw stats out to support a good convo with you because stats dont always tell the truth but.., Blake has thrown 51 INTS in less then 3 seasons as QB. How many fumbles and pick sixes to add? That number is jarring. Forget about attemps, completion rates and whatever other stat that may not look great just focus on the turn overs this guy has. It's a back breaking number in my opinion. You cant be a consistent winner if you dont secure the ball period.The turn overs alone prove he doesnt take care of the ball and thus has not improved. 

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Get ready for someone to try and find the 1 in a billion exception and try and use that as fact. "But but but, Peyton manning had a lot of int's his first 3 years! So that means Bortles is excellent. I dont care about the other 99% that did the same thing and were bust!"

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Nah man I think you read it all wrong.

Bortles went to Cali, got better. The next offseason his coaches told him to do something else. He listened to his bosses.

His bosses were idiots.

 

Mid-season you are not benching your HOPEFUL franchise player for Henne, at any costs. His regression is directly linked to his poor mechanics because honestly he had more INTs this year due to off target passes than bad decisions.

 

 

Maybe he doesn't turn it around. But he's a young player who has always been self critical, has shown some improvement in his time as an NFL player, so I don't see how you can just say "nah, this is who he is, can't fix him at all"

 

When we've seen guys get better throughout their career, sometimes in strides, sometimes leaps and valleys.

 

Whatever it is he thinks his guys in Cali did for him in 2015, the onus is on him to then go back out in 2016 regardless of what Olson's opinion was and I can't imagine Olson was so against the idea that he'd hypothetically run out onto the tarmac to get his QB off the plane to Cali.

 

I'm just finding it hard to envision a conversation between he and Olson where Olson was adamantly pounding the table that he didn't want him to go to California.  I think its entirely more plausible that he may have said a few things in passing like "yeah what they're teaching you is great, but I think you should try to focus on _____ this offseason."  Not only that, but Olson can't work with him during that period so you really think Olson just told him "don't worry about working with any professional QB coaches in the offseason, just go throw with your receivers and you and them make your own schedule."?   Not buying it.  And if that's the way it played out, it's still on Bortles for thinking that was going to be ok.

 

Bortles relaying the story about Olson after the season was over was an attempt to exonerate himself for his poor play in 2016.  Real leaders take ownership of issues that arise, even when they're not 100% responsible for it.  He'd have been better served by keeping it to himself even if there is truth to it.

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Get ready for someone to try and find the 1 in a billion exception and try and use that as fact. "But but but, Peyton manning had a lot of int's his first 3 years! So that means Bortles is excellent. I dont care about the other 99% that did the same thing and were bust!"

 It wouldnt be the first or the last time that cheap tactic is used. But it would still be dead wrong!

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Whatever it is he thinks his guys in Cali did for him in 2015, the onus is on him to then go back out in 2016 regardless of what Olson's opinion was and I can't imagine Olson was so against the idea that he'd hypothetically run out onto the tarmac to get his QB off the plane to Cali.

 

I'm just finding it hard to envision a conversation between he and Olson where Olson was adamantly pounding the table that he didn't want him to go to California.  I think its entirely more plausible that he may have said a few things in passing like "yeah what they're teaching you is great, but I think you should try to focus on _____ this offseason."  Not only that, but Olson can't work with him during that period so you really think Olson just told him "don't worry about working with any professional QB coaches in the offseason, just go throw with your receivers and you and them make your own schedule."?   Not buying it.  And if that's the way it played out, it's still on Bortles for thinking that was going to be ok.

 

Bortles relaying the story about Olson after the season was over was an attempt to exonerate himself for his poor play in 2016.  Real leaders take ownership of issues that arise, even when they're not 100% responsible for it.  He'd have been better served by keeping it to himself even if there is truth to it.

 

 

 

Well said, I couldn't agree more.

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Bro I hate to throw stats out to support a good convo with you because stats dont always tell the truth but.., Blake has thrown 51 INTS in less then 3 seasons as QB. How many fumbles and pick sixes to add? That number is jarring. Forget about attemps, completion rates and whatever other stat that may not look great just focus on the turn overs this guy has. It's a back breaking number in my opinion. You cant be a consistent winner if you dont secure the ball period.The turn overs alone prove he doesnt take care of the ball and thus has not improved. 

 

This is all accurate. The only rub is that many of Blake's turnovers are a ​direct result of his poor mechanics, and there were others that were something besides poor decision making. 

 

Just breaking down a few games with multiple picks you get:

 

 - Baltimore pick #1 - Inaccurate pass due to not stepping into throw. Released the ball with feet shoulder width apart.  Came up short and didn't lead Robinson toward sideline enough. He had a defender preventing him from stepping into it at the last second as well. Decent example of better mechanics potentially being the answer here. 


 

- Baltimore pick #2  - Tipped at line of scrimmage. LG was beaten badly and DT got his hands up. 


 

- Baltimore pick #3  -  Last minute desperation pass into coverage with :25 on the clock. 


 

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Oakland pick #1  -  Horrible decision by Bortles. Stares down Lee , under throws him and Amerson sees it coming.

 

Oakland pick #2 -   1:20 left on the clock and Bortles throws to Robinson on an in-route. He's pretty well covered (read: loafing when down on the scoreboard by multiple TDs)   -  so Blake throws it low where Allen can go down with the catch and it's away from defender somewhat.

The CB just gets a hand on Robinson's left forearm and Robinson tips the ball straight to the safety for a pick. 

 

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Detroit pick #1 -  Bortles throws too high for Lee and it's a tip-drill pick by an alert DB.  Lee  was prevented from intervening on the tip drill by a blatant face mask.  Bad throw by Bortles - but largely due to poor footwork and a wonky wind-up on this one. This is one that an offseason tune-up may fix. 


 

Detroit pick #2   -  Bortles throws well behind a crossing Lee and it hits his foot and is tipped to the defender. Bad pass by Bortles - no excuses to be made on this one. 


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Not apologizing for Bortles here -  I'm one of his harshest critics   -  but there have been a number of factors contributing.

 

You can see that out of 7 randomly chosen INTs - he had a few that better mechanics could fix and a few that simply weren't his fault. 

I'd post gifs but I've been warned they are against COC if not publicly available from the league. 

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