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ESPN - Outside the Lines Trans Wrestler wins Texas State Title

#21

This kid needs to pick a lane. If he thinks he's a male, and wants to live as one, then he needs to stay that way. Apparently his need to wrestle was greater than his need to be taken seriously as a male. You can't have it both ways.
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#22

Quote:First. Not sure why this bothers you! Has zero to do with you.


I am sure he would have rather wrestled the males and finished winless.
 

It doesn't bother me at all.

 

She probably would have rather wrestled the males for whatever reason.  However, DNA and physical attributes mandated that she had to wrestle other females just like her (only without the performance enhancing drugs).



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#23
(This post was last modified: 03-06-2017, 07:27 PM by Indy2Jax.)

Quote:Had Mack been allowed to wrestle against males there is still the issue of "performance enhancing drugs" regardless of the outcome. That is the issue here. Feel free to continue to defend your agenda regardless of any reasonable opposition though.
You're going to have to show me some damn science. There are illness that allow for testosterone use. Do they get banned as well?

Quote:This kid needs to pick a lane. If he thinks he's a male, and wants to live as one, then he needs to stay that way. Apparently his need to wrestle was greater than his need to be taken seriously as a male. You can't have it both ways.
Do you even pay attention? He wanted to compete with the males. Moronic adults kept him for no good reason.
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#24

Quote:You're going to have to show me some damn science. There are illness that allow for testosterone use. Do they get banned as well?


Do you even pay attention? He wanted to compete with the males. Moronic adults kept him for no good reason.
 

Other than the fact that she physically has an "inne" and not an "outie"?




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#25

Quote:Other than the fact that she physically has an "inne" and not an "outie"?



Irrelevant


I couldn't care less what the plumbing is.
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#26

Quote:You're going to have to show me some damn science. There are illness that allow for testosterone use. Do they get banned as well?

Do you even pay attention? He wanted to compete with the males. Moronic adults kept him for no good reason.
So what? He couldn't compete with them, that doesn't mean he should suddenly revert back to being a girl just because he didn't get to do what he wanted.
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#27

Quote:So what? He couldn't compete with them, that doesn't mean he should suddenly revert back to being a girl just because he didn't get to do what he wanted.


Well it does actually. And pretty sure the courts would agree.
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#28

Quote:You're going to have to show me some damn science. There are illness that allow for testosterone use. Do they get banned as well?


Do you even pay attention? He wanted to compete with the males. Moronic adults kept him for no good reason.
Still refusing to engage in the conversation.  Let me try again, the issue is  "PERFORMANCE ENHANCING DRUGS"! The reasons, the issues, and the justification from this point on are irrelevant.  Let's go one step further, "UNFAIR COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE".  Does this strike a nerve?  But feel free to continue dodging this aspect to justify your agenda.

 

Show you some science?  LMAO!  Armstrong would still be a 7 time Tour De France Champion if we allowed PED's.

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#29

Quote:Well it does actually. And pretty sure the courts would agree.


Whether the courts agree is irrelevant. If you want people to take you serious in your feelings of being a male, you can't jump back and forth between the two genders whenever it's convenient. That doesn't help the cause at all.
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#30
(This post was last modified: 03-06-2017, 07:52 PM by Indy2Jax.)

Quote:Still refusing to engage in the conversation. Let me try again, the issue is "PERFORMANCE ENHANCING DRUGS"! The reasons, the issues, and the justification from this point on are irrelevant. Let's go one step further, "UNFAIR COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE". Does this strike a nerve? But feel free to continue dodging this aspect to justify your agenda.


Show you some science? [BAD WORD REMOVED]! Armstrong would still be a 7 time Tour De France Champion if we allowed PED's.
You do realize there are medical conditions in which males can be prescribed testosterone right? Guess what they get to compete too.

Quote:Whether the courts agree is irrelevant. If you want people to take you serious in your feelings of being a male, you can't jump back and forth between the two genders whenever it's convenient. That doesn't help the cause at all.
That's not what he did. They made him wrestle girls. What's he supposed to do quit? No you beat the crap out of the girls and make the conservatives cry so they let him wrestle the boys.
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#31

Quote:You do realize there are medical conditions in which males can be prescribed testosterone right? Guess what they get to compete too.


That's not what he did. They made him wrestle girls. What's he supposed to do quit? No you beat the crap out of the girls and make the conservatives cry so they let him wrestle the boys.
So this was my google inquiry:  "Can men compete in athletics while taking testosterone"

  

Here is the result:  https://www.google.com/#q=Can+men+compet...tosterone&*

 

I am still sifting to see if males that are males are allowed to compete.  Feel free to join me in painting you into a corner though

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#32

Quote:You do realize there are medical conditions in which males can be prescribed testosterone right? Guess what they get to compete too.

That's not what he did. They made him wrestle girls. What's he supposed to do quit? No you beat the crap out of the girls and make the conservatives cry so they let him wrestle the boys.


They didn't make him, he chose to. If he really feels like he's a male, then wrestling females shouldn't an option to him. If I lived as a man, felt like a man, and was transitioning into becoming a man, there is no way I would wrestle females. But that's just me.

Feel free to keep up your silly arguments just because you want to argue. You have no problem with a testosterone filled athlete competing against regular kids, you've pretty much lost all credibility on this subject any way.
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#33

Quote:So this was my google inquiry: "Can men compete in athletics while taking testosterone"


Here is the result: <a class="bbc_url" href='https://www.google.com/#q=Can+men+compete+in+athletics+while+taking+testosterone&'>https://www.google.com/#q=Can+men+compete+in+athletics+while+taking+testosterone&</a>*


I am still sifting to see if males that are males are allowed to compete. Feel free to join me in painting you into a corner though


Brown University exceptions rule. Hypogonadism.
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#34

Quote:They didn't make him, he chose to. If he really feels like he's a male, then wrestling females shouldn't an option to him. If I lived as a man, felt like a man, and was transitioning into becoming a man, there is no way I would wrestle females. But that's just me.

Feel free to keep up your silly arguments just because you want to argue. You have no problem with a testosterone filled athlete competing against regular kids, you've pretty much lost all credibility on this subject any way.


I am the one with credibility issues? Yeah right except all the competitors actually supported him. Parent not so much. I think it is you with no credibility.
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#35

Quote:You do realize there are medical conditions in which males can be prescribed testosterone right? Guess what they get to compete too.


That's not what he did. They made him wrestle girls. What's he supposed to do quit? No you beat the crap out of the girls and make the conservatives cry so they let him wrestle the boys.
My second attempt.

 

The questions posed:  can a man compete in athletics while taking steroids for medical reasons?

 

The results: https://www.google.com/#q=can+a+man+comp...easons%3F&*

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#36

Quote:Brown University exceptions rule. Hypogonadism.
Link?  Oh that is right, you historically don't provide them, just demand that others do.  Hold that thought...

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#37

Quote:I am the one with credibility issues? Yeah right except all the competitors actually supported him. Parent not so much. I think it is you with no credibility.


Mmmkay....you keep thinking that.
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#38

Quote:Link? Oh that is right, you historically don't provide them, just demand that others do. Hold that thought...


Sorry just forgot to include. Relax


<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.brownbears.com/athletics/departments/sports_medicine/medical_exceptions'>http://www.brownbears.com/athletics/departments/sports_medicine/medical_exceptions</a>


Apparently NCAA allows exceptions in whole.


<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.depauw.edu/files/resources/documentation-required-for-ncaa-medical-exception--2.pdf'>http://www.depauw.edu/files/resources/documentation-required-for-ncaa-medical-exception--2.pdf</a>

<a class="bbc_url" href='http://static.golcdragons.com/custompages/Compliance%20Information/13-14%20DrugTestingPoliciesBroch'>http://static.golcdragons.com/custompages/Compliance%20Information/13-14%20DrugTestingPoliciesBroch</a>[1].pdf
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#39

And again, my search:  can a male compete in athletics with Hypogonadism

 

The results:  https://www.google.com/#q=can+a+male+com...ogonadism&*

 

Indy, I am trying.  Can you say the same?


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#40

Quote:And again, my search: can a male compete in athletics with Hypogonadism


The results: <a class="bbc_url" href='https://www.google.com/#q=can+a+male+compete+in+athletics+with+Hypogonadism&'>https://www.google.com/#q=can+a+male+compete+in+athletics+with+Hypogonadism&</a>*


Indy, I am trying. Can you say the same?


I believe gave you evidence they can. NCAA even gives deadline for filing exception. Feel free to ignore it.
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