That spider chart tho

I mean just look at the tape. He doesn't explode off that DE spot like Mack or Houston. He can play out there for sure, but he's best suited as an interior pass rusher, which he is really good at. Khalil Mack? Not even close. Aaron Donald? Pretty close.

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I mean just look at the tape. He doesn't explode off that DE spot like Mack or Houston. He can play out there for sure, but he's best suited as an interior pass rusher, which he is really good at. Khalil Mack? Not even close. Aaron Donald? Pretty close.

lmao yes he does

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"A man with no sauce is lost.

<p style="text-align:center;">But that same man can get lost in the sauce."

What post.

 
 

Can Myles Garret? And yes it does.
 
https://youtu.be/9_kfbI-2oHk?t=230
https://youtu.be/9_kfbI-2oHk?t=260
https://youtu.be/9_kfbI-2oHk?t=648
https://youtu.be/9_kfbI-2oHk?t=715
 
You can also see his ability to bend against guards when he's rushing on the inside
https://youtu.be/9_kfbI-2oHk?t=149
 
Thomas has all the traits of an edge rusher. It really just speaks more to how good he is that he can also legitimately play on the inside so well Stanford put him there because he was also their best interior rusher.
 
Also problems in pursuit?
https://youtu.be/d44WGObcnaQ?t=205

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"A man with no sauce is lost.

<p style="text-align:center;">But that same man can get lost in the sauce."

I gotta say that at this point I don't see the explosion or twitchiness from the edge that Mack brought in college.  Now on the inside, it's a different story.  He's pretty darn explosive.

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you guys need to check your eyes if you look at the clips i posted and don't see explosion from the edge. The tackle wasn't able to block him on any of those clips.

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"A man with no sauce is lost.

<p style="text-align:center;">But that same man can get lost in the sauce."

I'm not saying he's bad at the edge at all, he does a good job, just not quite the same as Mack.

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Well I wasn't making a 1-to-1 comparison between him and Mack, he's a different player. For one thing, Mack is 22 pounds lighter.

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"A man with no sauce is lost.

<p style="text-align:center;">But that same man can get lost in the sauce."

I gotta say that at this point I don't see the explosion or twitchiness from the edge that Mack brought in college. Now on the inside, it's a different story. He's pretty darn explosive.

Thank you.

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He's a tweener, which isn't a bad thing at all. While he no doubt can be an effective edge player, his explosive ability will be better used inside complimenting Jackson and Ngakoue.


He's still young as someone else posted so he will continue to grow and put on weight/muscle.


I love his overall athleticism and would not be mad in the slightest if he's the guy at 4.

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Thomas isn't a tweener. 

 

Jon Allen is a tweener. 

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Maybe tweener was the wrong word choice, versatile enough to play multiple positions along the dline is what I should have said.

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Thomas isn't a tweener.


Jon Allen is a tweener.

Lololol someone find the Twitter scout that posted this.

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Coughlin when asked if winning will be a focus: "What the hell else is there? This is nice and dandy, but winning is what all this is about."

He's a "tweener" in the same exact way that Malik Jackson is a tweener.

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no he's not.

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"A man with no sauce is lost.

<p style="text-align:center;">But that same man can get lost in the sauce."

True.  "Tweener" is typically used when a player is somewhere between RDE and rush OLB... what most scouts have given up on categorizing and have gotten lazy by using the mythical "EDGE" moniker.

 

But, less often it can also be used to describe a DT/4-3 LDE/3-4 DE.  Either is acceptable.

 

Many call Allen a tweener for this reason.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

Lololol someone find the Twitter scout that posted this.

 

take your pick

 

<a class="" href='https://twitter.com/MathBomb'>Kent Lee Platte‏<span> </span>@MathBomb </a> <a class="" href='https://twitter.com/MathBomb/status/838483530069999617'>Mar 5</a>
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<p class="">Jonathan Allen posted strong tweener numbers, far better measured out against interior than outside. <a class="" href='https://twitter.com/hashtag/RAS?src=hash'>#RAS
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<div><a class="" href='https://twitter.com/SpoonfulOfSport'>Chris Spooner‏<span> </span>@SpoonfulOfSport </a> <a class="" href='https://twitter.com/SpoonfulOfSport/status/832807058202206208' title="8:20 PM - 17 Feb 2017">Feb 17</a>
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<p class=""><a class="" href='https://twitter.com/TheJoeMarino'>@TheJoeMarino
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<div><a class="" href='https://twitter.com/KeepChoppinWood'>Keep Choppin' Wood‏<span> </span>@KeepChoppinWood </a> <a class="" href='https://twitter.com/KeepChoppinWood/status/838944601381744640' title="6:49 PM - 6 Mar 2017">18h18 hours ago</a>
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<p class="">"Before, Jonathan Allen was seen as a versatile guy, but after the Combine I think he's seen as more of a tweener." -- <a class="" href='https://twitter.com/FourVerts'>@FourVerts
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With all the misuse, I'm not sure the talking heads know what "EDGE" or "tweener" are supposed to mean anymore.

 

They use them instead as a replacement for where articulate analysis should be.

 

For example, a lazy analyst can call "tweener" without bothering to break down the +/- of him as a DT in a 4-3, vs the +/- of him as a LDE in a 4-3, vs the +/- of him playing as a 3-4 DE.  Forget giving your opinion on what suits him best.  Just call it "tweener" and get out.  Seems to be the mo of today's "analysts."

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

Edge is generally just an all encompassing term for guys who play on the ends, whether its a 4-3 defensive end or 3-4olb, 3-4 ends are usually given a different distinction


tweener is a guy without a defined position


i dont see the two confused regularly

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With all the misuse, I'm not sure the talking heads know what "EDGE" or "tweener" are supposed to mean anymore.

 

They use them instead as a replacement for where articulate analysis should be.

 

For example, a lazy analyst can call "tweener" without bothering to break down the +/- of him as a DT in a 4-3, vs the +/- of him as a LDE in a 4-3, vs the +/- of him playing as a 3-4 DE.  Forget giving your opinion on what suits him best.  Just call it "tweener" and get out.  Seems to be the mo of today's "analysts."

It's just someone who should be playing outside but is too unathletic, or should be playing inside but isn't big enough...like Allen. 

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Edge is generally just an all encompassing term for guys who play on the ends, whether its a 4-3 defensive end or 3-4olb, 3-4 ends are usually given a different distinction


tweener is a guy without a defined position


i dont see the two confused regularly

 

"edge" is a location on the field/formation, which by extension defines a role which changes depending on strong or weak side

 

"edge is NOT a position any player actually plays.  A lot of analysts misuse it in this way.

 

OLBs and DEs are the positions, which depend on whether 3-4 or 4-3.  One will not find "edge" on any depth chart.

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