Ware just announced his retirement like 2 days ago

 

 

Now this makes sense.

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Not on the roster? Poz? Telvin? Pullard?


 

We also have this rookie on the roster named Raphael Kirby who is interestingly listed as an "ILB." ...and another young LB Marcus Rush who is rather big at 6-3, 251.


 

 

Btw, Skuta can actually rush the passer as a 3-4 OLB if given a chance. ...so can Jonathan Woodard and Lerentee McCray.


 

 

I don't really support moving to a 3-4, but I like having the option. I miss the days when JDR was around as the defense would often switch up to a 3-4 (or his 3-3-5 that one season) for a series here or there.


 

Speaking of JDR...


 

Imagine how good he would be as a DC if he had all this talent.  He'd have loved Yannick, Jack and Ramsey.

Poz hated the 3-4.  Getting out of a 3-4 was one of his primary motivations in leaving Buffalo.

 

I am evolving on the idea of Telvin as an ILB.  I have been operating under the traditional paradigm of the 3-4 ILB as a big run plugger who can take on guards, stack and shed to get to the RB.  However, given the hybridization of defenses in the modern NFL, having Telvin Smith as an ILB in what technically would be a 3-4, would, in practical terms amount to a pseudo 3-3-5 nickel given his safety size and ostensibly better cover ability than the typical 3-4 run plugging ILB.

 

I know next to nothing about Kirby and Rush.  As such I remain unconvinced they represent an answer at ILB whether they are listed as ILBs on a Mid March roster or not.

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Bouye's dead cap is $26mil this year and $21mil next year. It then drops to $6mil in 2019. He's virtually uncuttable until 2019.

 

 

Ok... I thought I was onto something with his super low first-year salary, but I guess not. He's clearly guaranteed a second season as well.


 

Perhaps Campbell's bigger salary is something they had to do per the CBA with Campbell having a big salary last year.

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Poz hated the 3-4.  Getting out of a 3-4 was one of his primary motivations in leaving Buffalo.

 

I am evolving on the idea of Telvin as an ILB.  I have been operating under the traditional paradigm of the 3-4 ILB as a big run plugger who can take on guards, stack and shed to get to the RB.  However, given the hybridization of defenses in the modern NFL, having Telvin Smith as an ILB in what technically would be a 3-4, would, in practical terms amount to a pseudo 3-3-5 nickel given his safety size and ostensibly better cover ability than the typical 3-4 run plugging ILB.

 

I know next to nothing about Kirby and Rush.  As such I remain unconvinced they represent an answer at ILB whether they are listed as ILBs on a Mid March roster or not.

 

 

Pullard is practically your prototypical 3-4 ILB. In fact, that just might be the perfect role for him.

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Call me crazy, but seeing how close this defense was last season to being really good, I'd be very disappointed if they switched to a 3-4 right now.

 

Especially after the additions made.  

 

They were close.  Just a little coverage tweaking and a little more aggressiveness in the calls from the sideline and they have a really good 4-3 defense in Jacksonville. 

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Call me crazy, but seeing how close this defense was last season to being really good, I'd be very disappointed if they switched to a 3-4 right now.

 

Especially after the additions made.  

 

They were close.  Just a little coverage tweaking and a little more aggressiveness in the calls from the sideline and they have a really good 4-3 defense in Jacksonville. 

On the whole I agree.

 

My preference is still for a 4-3 defense, especially since it seems Poe won't come here.  I only started thinking 3-4 for the team after we signed Campbell and started talking about Poe.  Had we signed Poe, then we'd have a legit 3-4 DL capability.  Campbell, Poe and Jackson would make for an excellent 3 man front.  Campbell Jackson, Poe and Ngakoue would make an excellent 4-3 DL.

 

The thing that intrigued me about the 3-4 this year is that like the Patriots often do, they can give varied looks from play to play, series to series, and game to game.  Think about how much more difficult it would be for offenses to scheme against us if we could give a legit 4-3 look with legit 4-3 personnel on one play, and turn around with a legit 3-4 with legit 3-4 personnel the next.  It would create possible match up issues for opposing offenses.  If Ngakoue and Fowler are at OLB instead of DE, do you allocate tackles, TEs or backs to block them?  What about Campbell?  Do you trust a G with much shorter arms to be able to consistently block Campbell?  If you have the same personnel but with Ngakoue's hand on the ground right before the snap, how do you block it then?

 

I just liked the idea of giving offenses more to worry about.

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Pullard is practically your prototypical 3-4 ILB. In fact, that just might be the perfect role for him.

I like Pullard more as a 4-3 OLB.

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On the whole I agree.


My preference is still for a 4-3 defense, especially since it seems Poe won't come here. I only started thinking 3-4 for the team after we signed Campbell and started talking about Poe. Had we signed Poe, then we'd have a legit 3-4 DL capability. Campbell, Poe and Jackson would make for an excellent 3 man front. Campbell Jackson, Poe and Ngakoue would make an excellent 4-3 DL.



I just liked the idea of giving offenses more to worry about.

Where'd you see that? All I have seen is that he is meeting with every interested team before deciding

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...  Think about how much more difficult it would be for offenses to scheme against us if we could give a legit 4-3 look with legit 4-3 personnel on one play, and turn around with a legit 3-4 with legit 3-4 personnel the next.  It would create possible match up issues for opposing offenses.  If Ngakoue and Fowler are at OLB instead of DE, do you allocate tackles, TEs or backs to block them?  What about Campbell?  Do you trust a G with much shorter arms to be able to consistently block Campbell?  If you have the same personnel but with Ngakoue's hand on the ground right before the snap, how do you block it then?

 

I just liked the idea of giving offenses more to worry about.

 

I hear you.  That could be a wonderful thing.  I don't think now is the time to launch such an installation, but it we be amazing to have that kind of versaltity. 

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Where'd you see that? All I have seen is that he is meeting with every interested team before deciding

Operative word is "seems."

 

In my experience, once a player visits a team and leaves without a deal, generally speaking he doesn't return to sign.

 

But perhaps this may be different.  If it does, I will gladly welcome him to the team and admit my error.

 

But I'm not counting on it. 

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Operative word is "seems."


In my experience, once a player visits a team and leaves without a deal, generally speaking he doesn't return to sign.


But perhaps this may be different. If it does, I will gladly welcome him to the team and admit my error.


But I'm not counting on it.

Gotcha. Your right that it usually is a bad sign, however Poe looks to just be exploring all options first. At least IMO. Anyway, as long as he doesn't go to Indy.

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I hear you.  That could be a wonderful thing.  I don't think now is the time to launch such an installation, but it we be amazing to have that kind of versaltity. 

Without Poe, such an installation is virtually guaranteed not to happen...not that it was likely even if they sign him.  TC is a 4-3 guy and Marrone ran a 4-3 in Buffalo.  Wash ran a 4-3 here last year.

 

On a side note, anyone else amused by how Fowler has been virtually ignored in all of this discussion?

 

I think Fowler could have a good year with a coach willing to push him and use him creatively, and with a guy like Campbell to work around.

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On a side note, anyone else amused by how Fowler has been virtually ignored in all of this discussion?

 

I think Fowler could have a good year with a coach willing to push him and use him creatively, and with a guy like Campbell to work around.

Have had the same thought over the past few weeks. 

 

I have a sneaking suspicion the Hobby hiring was meant to spark that development as well. 

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Have had the same thought over the past few weeks. 

 

I have a sneaking suspicion the Hobby hiring was meant to spark that development as well. 

Yes indeed.

 

Even without Poe, even if we don't add another DL, I like the flexibility along the DL in a 4 man line.

 

We can go big with Campbell, Jackson, Jones, Ngakoue/Fowler.

 

We can go "small and fast" with Fowler, Jackson, Day, and Ngakoue.

 

We could go "medium" with Fowler, Campbell, Jackson, Ngakoue.

 

Now imagine adding a guy like Solomon Thomas or Jon Allen to that.

 

Legitimately we'd go two deep at just about every position-with quality to boot. 

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Gotcha. Your right that it usually is a bad sign, however Poe looks to just be exploring all options first. At least IMO. Anyway, as long as he doesn't go to Indy.

I'm with you on him not going to Indy...or Houston or Tennessee.

 

I wouldn't mind him in Indy.

 

I remember discussing how Indy hasn't had that dominant interior presence since pre injury Steve Emtman (though I may not have been fair to Tony Siragusa).  Atlanta hasn't had that guy, either in a long long time.

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Gotcha. Your right that it usually is a bad sign, however Poe looks to just be exploring all options first. At least IMO. Anyway, as long as he doesn't go to Indy.

On an earlier NFL Network show today, they made a quick comment about Poe's visits.  They chuckled and speculated that moving onto the next team, and exploring all options first, is agent-speak for the team visited did not meet his price.  They said the good news is after visiting multiple teams without a contract likely will translate into his agent lowering his demands.  

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Davon house rejoins the packers. Vacation is over, time to get back to work.

He owns the franchise record for pass breakups in a season I thought? He sucked but he wasn't taking a vaca.

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On an earlier NFL Network show today, they made a quick comment about Poe's visits. They chuckled and speculated that moving onto the next team, and exploring all options first, is agent-speak for the team visited did not meet his price. They said the good news is after visiting multiple teams without a contract likely will translate into his agent lowering his demands.

Could be, you'd think if that was the case that his agent would get the hint by now

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Malcolm Butler to visit New Orleans Saints on Thursday

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