Okay so who pays the price for the emissions of your vehicle? You plan on paying my healthcare bills?

Lol emissions is the last thing factoring into your healthcare

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Not sure why you quoted my comment on the title.


 

As far as your comment goes, heavier vehicles cause more wear and tear on the roads and bridges than smaller, lighter, fuel-efficient vehicles. You may not like paying more gasoline taxes than a Prius driver, but it's a fair assessment.

I'm not sure why you were quoted either. My bad. I pay for those roads every single time I fill up so I will drive my truck until the wheels come off and not feel bad about it. I get what you're saying, but no. Not going to take on a payment for something I don't need. My truck runs just fine. When it quits I'll consider something else.

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I definitely understand your perspective because I'm not totally sold on that concept too.  However, I can see where the auto shut-off would have a massive impact (saving fuel) when you factor in 20 million cars alone in the US going through rush hour traffic.  It seems to make better sense in LA, Chicago, NY and other congested areas where it takes 90 minutes to go 15 miles.

 

My 2005 Jeep Wrangler doesn't have the shutoff capability, or XM Radio, or bluetooth, or auto windows, or wind-down windows, or auto lock/unlock key chain, or the fancy beep beep sound when you lock the car.   :mellow:

I miss my 2006 Wrangler. 

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Lol emissions is the last thing factoring into your healthcare

 

entitlement "mentality"

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

Lol emissions is the last thing factoring into your healthcare

You base this on what?

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You base this on what?

Let's save the earth argument for another thread. But even if you accept emissions damaging the ozone it's still on the bottom list of things effecting your healthcare.

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Okay so who pays the price for the emissions of your vehicle? You plan on paying my healthcare bills?

 

First of all, there should not be a price and/or a tax for emissions.  Relatively few consumers care about emissions.  Would I rather a product be efficient and/or clean?  Of course, but not at the sacrifice of performance or reliability.

 

Second of all, my product of choice whether it's a vehicle, tool, yard equipment or otherwise has absolutely nothing to do with your healthcare bills.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

First of all, there should not be a price and/or a tax for emissions.  Relatively few consumers care about emissions.  Would I rather a product be efficient and/or clean?  Of course, but not at the sacrifice of performance or reliability.

 

Second of all, my product of choice whether it's a vehicle, tool, yard equipment or otherwise has absolutely nothing to do with your healthcare bills.

QFT. Especially the second part. There are things others do that adversely affect my health yet I don't expect them to be held responsible. The one thing I appreciate the government stepping in on was banning smoking from restaurants, airplanes and other such places. When I was a smoker I never smoked indoors, even in my own home unless it was really crappy weather. Then I would put a fan in the window pointed outside and blow the smoke through the fan.

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QFT. Especially the second part. There are things others do that adversely affect my health yet I don't expect them to be held responsible. The one thing I appreciate the government stepping in on was banning smoking from restaurants, airplanes and other such places. When I was a smoker I never smoked indoors, even in my own home unless it was really crappy weather. Then I would put a fan in the window pointed outside and blow the smoke through the fan.

 

I somewhat agree with you in that smokers shouldn't smoke in confined spaces such as an airplane, but I disagree with the government mandating it.  I believe it should be up to the airline/restaurant/business to make the rules.

 

For the record, I do smoke cigars though I don't do so indoors (typically) and whenever I travel I do prefer a non-smoking room when I stay at a hotel.  I've been to bars that allow smoking, and it doesn't bother me because I know what kind of environment I'm going into.  However, my point is that it should be the business that decides the rules, not the government.  Don't like a bar/restaurant/airline, etc. because they happen to allow smoking?  Choose another bar/restaurant/airline, etc.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

I somewhat agree with you in that smokers shouldn't smoke in confined spaces such as an airplane, but I disagree with the government mandating it.  I believe it should be up to the airline/restaurant/business to make the rules.

 

For the record, I do smoke cigars though I don't do so indoors (typically) and whenever I travel I do prefer a non-smoking room when I stay at a hotel.  I've been to bars that allow smoking, and it doesn't bother me because I know what kind of environment I'm going into.  However, my point is that it should be the business that decides the rules, not the government.  Don't like a bar/restaurant/airline, etc. because they happen to allow smoking?  Choose another bar/restaurant/airline, etc.

 I agree with that statement to a degree but it's not always that easy. If all you can afford is the restaurant chain/type or airline that allows smoking then you're kind of screwed. And I hated seeing kids in smoky restaurants. They didn't have a choice but to go where their parents took them.

 

My husband has serious asthma attacks when he's anywhere near heavy smoke of any kind. Heck, he can walk by a person smoking and his lungs will tighten up. We are thankful we can at least go to a restaurant and eat without him having an attack. He's had asthma since childhood that wasn't as bad as it is now. As a kid, years of being in public places with smoking allowed is what made it as bad as it is now according to his doctor. He actually had smoker's lungs at 16 years old even though neither he nor his parents never smoked. He is that sensitive to it. We can never have a wood stove or fireplace which sucks because I would love to have one or the other. When we lose power in the winter due to snow or ice storms we lose our heat source.

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Let's save the earth argument for another thread. But even if you accept emissions damaging the ozone it's still on the bottom list of things effecting your healthcare.

 

Of course, how could air quality possibly affect our health?

 

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If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
- Bob Marley


 

Of course, how could air quality possibly affect our health?

 

 

Once again you resort to an absurdity.


 

In the US, auto emissions are so clean you can no longer kill yourself by closing the garage door with the car running. That was true of the regulations long before 2000. Trump is only going to eliminate the additional useless and expensive regulations imposed by Obama.


 

But your picture is right in one context; pollution from China has a bigger effect on the air in the US than emissions from here. Do you suggest we should start a war with China to lower US pollution levels?

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"Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"

Of course, how could air quality possibly affect our health?

 

Emissions are not the only cause of their problems.

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Of course, how could air quality possibly affect our health?

Perfect picture of what central planning government results in, an impoverished sick and subordinate lower class.

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It's a picture showing what we breathe affects our health. Keep on trusting market forces to ensure our air stays as pure as possible all you want, I'm counting on greed "Trumping" public health, as it always has.

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If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
- Bob Marley


 

It's a picture showing what we breathe affects our health. Keep on trusting market forces to ensure our air stays as pure as possible all you want, I'm counting on greed "Trumping" public health, as it always has.

So far a market based economy has 1000 times better air quality than the central government ran economy.


Market forces are driven by return investment as much as anything when you use central planning to drive behavior you only have selected enforcement which leads to worse results.

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So far a market based economy has 1000 times better air quality than the central government ran economy.


Market forces are driven by return investment as much as anything when you use central planning to drive behavior you only have selected enforcement which leads to worse results.

 

How was the air quality before the government regulated air pollution? How was air quality at the height of the industrial age? Our air quality is generally pretty good now because of regulations, but at the height of the industrial age and even still into the early 20th century our country faced many of the same air quality issues that China does now. 

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How was the air quality before the government regulated air pollution? How was air quality at the height of the industrial age? Our air quality is generally pretty good now because of regulations, but at the height of the industrial age and even still into the early 20th century our country faced many of the same air quality issues that China does now.

Hey if it's regulations why does florida with zero emission standards have cleaner air than California with the strictest emissions standards?

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So far a market based economy has 1000 times better air quality than the central government ran economy.


Market forces are driven by return investment as much as anything when you use central planning to drive behavior you only have selected enforcement which leads to worse results.

 

Air quality unenforced by regulation will suffer if left to pure market forces.

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If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already.
- Bob Marley


 

Air quality unenforced by regulation will suffer if left to pure market forces.

So I'm told but then why does California have so much worse air than florida?

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