I don't know how you can back up that claim. Game tape says they both have plenty of speed, so the only way to determine who is faster is to time them.

Its an opinion I have. I think Fournette has a better top speed on the field than McCaffrey does.

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Its an opinion I have. I think Fournette has a better top speed on the field than McCaffrey does.

But if no lane has terrible vision and is not a duel threat rb.

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Its an opinion I have. I think Fournette has a better top speed on the field than McCaffrey does.

 

 

That's a tough one because McCaffrey has a 2nd "turbo" gear after he gets going, and when he turns that on dude is FAST.

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That's a tough one because McCaffrey has a 2nd "turbo" gear after he gets going, and when he turns that on dude is FAST.

It's splitting hairs as they are both more than fast enough.

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Anyone with half a brain would know what I was talking about. 

 

If you want a guy to run between the tackles and run people over, you take Fournette.    If you want to throw the ball to your running back, you take McCaffrey.   Which one you want depends on what you want to do with your running back.   I think New England would prefer McCaffrey over Fournette, because of their offensive system.  

 

I don't know who the Jaguars would prefer, because I don't know what kind of system they will be running.   I get the feeling they want a between the tackles power back to run over people, so I get the feeling they will prefer Fournette.  

I know what you were trying to say, it just wasn't correct so that's why I got a bit snarky sorry. Fournette isn't good between the tackles. He was league average at it, and that's with the running backs who are selling cars and insurance included not just draft worthy RB. McCaffrey was much better. No matter what you want to do as an offense, I think it can convincingly be argued McCaffrey will be better at it. 

 

For even more background, Fournette ripped off 4.46 YC/attempt on inside carries and 5.46 YC/attempt on outside carries. Both of those figures are near Yards Created’s collegiate averages. At 4.93 Yards Created per attempt on inside runs, McCaffrey is certainly one of the better interior rushers in the college ranks. 

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But if no lane has terrible vision and is not a duel threat rb.

 

 

How important is vision? I recall one RB going #3 overall who had horrible vision but pretty much everything else going for him. His name was Trent Richardson.


 

Hopefully Fournette's vision isn't Trent Richardson bad.

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Fournette has more talent than Richardson by a mile.  The vision thing may be something that can be coached.  Not sure LSU really has good offensive minded coaches there that really worked with him much.  I think part of it is he just has to be a bit more patient with his blocks.

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Fournette has more talent than Richardson by a mile.  The vision thing may be something that can be coached.  Not sure LSU really has good offensive minded coaches there that really worked with him much.  I think part of it is he just has to be a bit more patient with his blocks.

 

 

Also RIchardson was only 5'9", and he ran an even slower 4.45.

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I know what you were trying to say, it just wasn't correct so that's why I got a bit snarky sorry. Fournette isn't good between the tackles. He was league average at it, and that's with the running backs who are selling cars and insurance included not just draft worthy RB. McCaffrey was much better. No matter what you want to do as an offense, I think it can convincingly be argued McCaffrey will be better at it. 

 

For even more background, Fournette ripped off 4.46 YC/attempt on inside carries and 5.46 YC/attempt on outside carries. Both of those figures are near Yards Created’s collegiate averages. At 4.93 Yards Created per attempt on inside runs, McCaffrey is certainly one of the better interior rushers in the college ranks. 

 

But at 205, McCaffrey is not ever going to run the ball 25 times in a game.   Fournette is that kind of back- the one who can pound away in the 4th quarter.   I think that's what fits the Jaguars' current plan.   They don't want Blake throwing the ball so much.   They'd rather he hand off.   It's pretty pathetic, but I think that's what they want to do.  

 

In my opinion, if I had McCaffrey on my team, I would like him up as a WR on half his plays.   He ran better routes and had better hands than any of the WRs at the Combine.   But like I said, that requires a QB-centric offense, and the Jags are trying to be less QB-centric.   They want Blake to be able to hand off more.   Not toss it around like Tom Brady. 

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Where is his poor vision narrative coming from? He averaged more yards per carry than Mccaffrey (nearly a full yard in 2015 when he was healthy).

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But at 205, McCaffrey is not ever going to run the ball 25 times in a game.   Fournette is that kind of back- the one who can pound away in the 4th quarter.   I think that's what fits the Jaguars' current plan.   They don't want Blake throwing the ball so much.   They'd rather he hand off.   It's pretty pathetic, but I think that's what they want to do.  

 

In my opinion, if I had McCaffrey on my team, I would like him up as a WR on half his plays.   He ran better routes and had better hands than any of the WRs at the Combine.   But like I said, that requires a QB-centric offense, and the Jags are trying to be less QB-centric.   They want Blake to be able to hand off more.   Not toss it around like Tom Brady. 

 

 

The thing is, you don't ding a guy for having great hands. That's an asset. Fred Taylor had good hands and at times line up at WR, but nobody would say that make for a QB-centric offense.

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The thing is, you don't ding a guy for having great hands. That's an asset. Fred Taylor had good hands and at times line up at WR, but nobody would say that make for a QB-centric offense.

 

Now I think you are intentionally missing my point. 

 

I'm not dinging anyone for having great hands.   One of them is a smaller guy with great hands, and the other is a big back who can run people over.  They are different. 

 

If you want a back that you can hand off to 25 times a game, you don't pick a 205 pound guy.   He would have a very short career.   McCaffrey needs to spend half his plays running routes.   But I don't think that's what the Jags are looking for.   I think the Jags are looking for a big back.   That's Fournette.   Conversely, there are teams that are not looking for a big back, they are looking for a back who can spend half his plays going out for passes.   That's McCaffrey.  

 

It's apples and oranges.   You guys are so locked into this debate over "who is better" that you are ignoring the fact that these are two very different players, who would be used differently.  And different teams would have a different preference.  

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But at 205, McCaffrey is not ever going to run the ball 25 times in a game.   Fournette is that kind of back- the one who can pound away in the 4th quarter.   I think that's what fits the Jaguars' current plan.   They don't want Blake throwing the ball so much.   They'd rather he hand off.   It's pretty pathetic, but I think that's what they want to do.  

 

In my opinion, if I had McCaffrey on my team, I would like him up as a WR on half his plays.   He ran better routes and had better hands than any of the WRs at the Combine.   But like I said, that requires a QB-centric offense, and the Jags are trying to be less QB-centric.   They want Blake to be able to hand off more.   Not toss it around like Tom Brady. 

I know that sounds right theoretically, but in practice McCaffrey stayed healthier while carrying the ball more and catching the a lot ball more. Add in all of those special teams touches too and I'm not sure that's even a fair point to make. Bigger doesn't necessarily mean healthier or able to withstand more punishment. Often it means taking bigger, more forceful, and more direct hits...and missing more time.

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I know that sounds right theoretically, but in practice McCaffrey stayed healthier while carrying the ball more and catching the a lot ball more. Add in all of those special teams touches too and I'm not sure that's even a fair point to make. Bigger doesn't necessarily mean healthier or able to withstand more punishment. Often it means taking bigger, more forceful, and more direct hits...and missing more time.

 

I think of McCaffrey on the Patriots, and I see 2000 yards from scrimmage, running and receiving.   I think of McCaffrey on the Jaguars, and I see the ball sailing over his head, or hitting him in the feet.     I'm sorry to say it, but if we're rolling with Blake this year, he needs to hand off more, not throw more.   I love McCaffrey, but if we're rolling with Blake, we need Fournette more than we need McCaffrey.   McCaffrey would be wasted on this team.  You have to have the right tool for the job at hand. 

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Looking over the draft's history, there sure have been a lot of RBs taken early.


 

I'll just list the guys taken top 5 since 1975...


 

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75 - 4. Bears - Walter Peyton, Jackson State


'76 - 3. Saints - Chuck Muncie, Cal


'76 - 4. Chargers - Joe Washington, Oklahoma


'77 - 1. Bucs - Ricky Bell, USC


'77 - 2. Cowboys - Tony Dorsett, Pittsburgh


'78 - 1. Oilers - Earl Campbell, Texas


'78 - 5. Bills - Terry Miller, Oklahoma State


'80 - 1. Lions - Billy Simms, Oklahoma


'80 - 5. Colts - Curtis Dickey,, Texas A&M


'81 - 1. Saints - Geoge Rogers, S. Carolina


'81 - 3. Jets - Freeman McNeal,UCLA


'83 - 2. Rams - Eric Dickerson, Southern Methodist


'83 - 3. Seahawks - Curt Warner, Penn State


'86 - 1. Bucs - Bo Jackson, Auburn


'87 - 3. Oilers - Alonzo Highsmith, Miami (FL)


'87 - 4. Packes - Brent Fullwood, Auburn


'89 - 3. Lions - Barry Sanders, Oklahoma State


'90 - 2. Jets - Blair Thomas, Penn State


'93 - 3. Cards - Garrison Hearst, Georgia


'94 - 2. Colts - Marshall Faulk, San Diego State


'95 - 1. Bengals - Ki-Jana Carter, Penn State


'98 - 5. Bears - Curtis Enis, Penn State


'99 - 4. Colts - Edgerrin James, Miami (FL)


'99 - 5. Saints, - Ricky Williams, Texas


'00 - 5. Ravens - Jamal Lewis, Tennessee


'01 - 5. Chargers - LaDanian Tomlinson, Texas-Christian


'05 - 2. Dolphins - Ronnie Brown, Auburn


'05 - 4. Bears - Cedric Benson, Texas


'05 - 5. Bucs - Cadillac Williams, Auburn


'06 - 2. Saints - Reggie Bush, USC


'08 - 4. Raiders - Darren McFadden, Arkansas


'12 - 3. Browns - Trent Richardson, Alabama


'16 - 4. Cowboys - Ezekiel Elliott. Ohio State


 

The pace has slowed down a bit over the past decade, but before that picking a RB top 5 was commonplace.


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I think of McCaffrey on the Patriots, and I see 2000 yards from scrimmage, running and receiving.   I think of McCaffrey on the Jaguars, and I see the ball sailing over his head, or hitting him in the feet.     I'm sorry to say it, but if we're rolling with Blake this year, he needs to hand off more, not throw more.   I love McCaffrey, but if we're rolling with Blake, we need Fournette more than we need McCaffrey.   McCaffrey would be wasted on this team.  You have to have the right tool for the job at hand. 

You keep missing the part where I said I think a convincing argument can be made for McCaffrey over Fournette in any scheme. That includes a run heavy, under center, between the tackles scheme like you are envisioning. Take all of McCaffrey's passing game prowess out of the equation and there's a lot of evidence to suggest he would still be better.

 

But then you'd just be attempting to dial back the NFL to a decade ago and trying to square peg/round hole the modern NFL so why would you want to do that anyway?

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What personnel formation are they running from?

Good point that it appears was glossed over. Quite a few of the stats posted by Twitter analysts typically leave me with more questions than answers.

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McCaffery did not spend half of his time going out on pass routes in college, and he's not about to do that in the NFL. He's a RB. It's great that he can catch too, but he's going to be getting carries, and in doing so, like he consistently does, he's going to carry whatever offense he's on.

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McCaffrey at 4 > Any other RB at 4. However ideally we trade back and pick him and get more picks.

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I dont want us drafting Fournette at 4.  Maybe I'll be proven wrong and he'll go down as one of the best RBs of all time.  But I do think just the pure value of a RB isnt worth a top draft pick.  And looking through those highlights of him in the shotgun, you can definitely see him missing holes.  The 2nd play against Alabama he should have cut left and just didnt.  Another example is late in the game against Texas Tech, huge hole to his right but followed the play left instead.  He does have a unique combination of size and speed.  But typically guys like that, and I think Fournette is among them, they dont have the ability to cut side to side.  He doesnt plant his foot and go.  

 

Now I do think there is a place in the NFL for a guy like Fournette.  Big men who run fast are rare.  Get an offensive line that opens up big holes.  Get a lead late.  And then just milk the game away with a guy like Fournette.  And maybe Coughlin sees him the same way he saw Brandon Jacobs.  But I dont think that is worth a first round pick.  If I could get Perine in the 4th or 5th I think Id rather do that.... barring something about Perine I dont know about.  

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