Man, look how much taller and bigger The K State QB looks than Manziel. That really paid off in terms of his NFL effectiveness and career longevity.

 

 

We Need a QB that is at least 6'4" and 235#. Oh wait . We already have one in BG. So what was that about size??????????

 

I guess I missed people arguing that a QB being 6'4 or 6'5 made them good. Manziel looks like he's about 5'9 180. Is that not supposed to be a concern?

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Well, In my opinion... not really. Size is a means to an end. It's easier to be effective as a QB when you're bigger, but if you're effective and small, you're still effective.

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Manziel is 6' tall. I have no idea where everyone is getting the impression he is smaller than Russell Wilson. If him and Wilson stood next to each other he'd be legitimately an inch or two taller than him

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Manziel is 6' tall. I have no idea where everyone is getting the impression he is smaller than Russell Wilson. If him and Wilson stood next to each other he'd be legitimately an inch or two taller than him

 

What are you basing this on?

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At the combine RG3 measures 6'2 225.  And again the NFL broke him in half already.  The beauty of Russell Wilson is that when he scrambles he does a really good job of avoiding big hits.  He slides, he gets out of bounds.  And he is built a stockier which allows him to absorb more punishment the few times he does get it.

 

Manziel has a shot to be a decent NFL QB, but he'll need to learn when to scramble and how to avoid taking big hits.  We've already seem him suffer some injuries this past year.  Not bad enough where he missed multiple games but in some games he did have to sit.  In the NFL those same hits will force him out of games.  He'll need to learn to scramble less and to scramble more effectively, ie not to get hit.  I've seen unbiased measurements of him at 5'11.5.  So its not like he is a midget.  And yes he is probably an inch or so taller than Wilson.  But while being an inch or so shorter, Wilson is probably 10-15 pounds heavier.  Manziel isnt that big.

 

Take away Manziel's ability to scramble around though and you take away his biggest asset.  He is barely an above average college qb when he has to sit in the pocket.  Doesnt have the biggest arm and will force throws into coverage. 

 

This isnt the 60's.  The days of Fran Tarkenton are over. 

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The fact I've seen him standing next to 6' tall men and being the same size as them? Even on First Take, Skip Bayless is listed as 5'10''. Johnny is at least an inch and a half taller than Bayless standing directly next to him, closer to 2.

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The fact I've seen him standing next to 6' tall men and being the same size as them? Even on First Take, Skip Bayless is listed as 5'10''
. Johnny is at least an inch and a half taller than Bayless standing directly next to him, closer to 2.

 

I'm not trying to be snooty here, but where in the world did you find Skip Bayless height?!?!?! That's almost creepy.

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I'm trying to make myself more informed and less opinionated.

Stop saying whatever stupid thing you're talking about and pay attention to all the interesting things I have to say!

This isnt the 60's.  The days of Fran Tarkenton are over. 

I'm not sure what this means. Tarkenton played in a time where defensive players could literally maul QBs and wide receivers and his scrambling ability prolonged his career. With the cupcake rules in the current league there is no reason to believe Johnny won't be able to scramble around as much. I've never seen any player with the type of escapability Manziel has, not even Tarkenton.

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"A man with no sauce is lost.

<p style="text-align:center;">But that same man can get lost in the sauce."

I'm not trying to be snooty here, but where in the world did you find Skip Bayless height?!?!?! That's almost creepy.

When you google him his height is listed.

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"A man with no sauce is lost.

<p style="text-align:center;">But that same man can get lost in the sauce."

When you google him his height is listed.

 

Really?!?! That's crazy. Who would want to put a tape measure on Skip Bayless?

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I'm trying to make myself more informed and less opinionated.

Stop saying whatever stupid thing you're talking about and pay attention to all the interesting things I have to say!

Cari Champion

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"A man with no sauce is lost.

<p style="text-align:center;">But that same man can get lost in the sauce."

When you google him his height is listed.

I couldn't find it. Got a link?

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Really?!?! That's crazy. Who would want to put a tape measure on Skip Bayless?

 

I would.  But not to measure his height. 

 

Wait... you said 'tape measure' not 'duct tape'.... sorry.  My mistake.

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I was wrong about Trent Baalke. 

I couldn't find it. Got a link?

Just put in Skip Bayless and look to the right. It's on his profile.

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"A man with no sauce is lost.

<p style="text-align:center;">But that same man can get lost in the sauce."

I'm not sure what this means. Tarkenton played in a time where defensive players could literally maul QBs and wide receivers and his scrambling ability prolonged his career. With the cupcake rules in the current league there is no reason to believe Johnny won't be able to scramble around as much. I've never seen any player with the type of escapability Manziel has, not even Tarkenton.

 

there werent guys 6'3, 240 who could run a 4.5 back when Tarkenton played.  It was odd to see defensive lineman that big let alone LBs.

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Just put in Skip Bayless and look to the right. It's on his profile.

 

I'm sure Skip gave them his accurate height too

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At the combine RG3 measures 6'2 225.  And again the NFL broke him in half already.  The beauty of Russell Wilson is that when he scrambles he does a really good job of avoiding big hits.  He slides, he gets out of bounds.  And he is built a stockier which allows him to absorb more punishment the few times he does get it.

 

Manziel has a shot to be a decent NFL QB, but he'll need to learn when to scramble and how to avoid taking big hits.  We've already seem him suffer some injuries this past year.  Not bad enough where he missed multiple games but in some games he did have to sit.  In the NFL those same hits will force him out of games.  He'll need to learn to scramble less and to scramble more effectively, ie not to get hit.  I've seen unbiased measurements of him at 5'11.5.  So its not like he is a midget.  And yes he is probably an inch or so taller than Wilson.  But while being an inch or so shorter, Wilson is probably 10-15 pounds heavier.  Manziel isnt that big.

 

Take away Manziel's ability to scramble around though and you take away his biggest asset.  He is barely an above average college qb when he has to sit in the pocket.  Doesnt have the biggest arm and will force throws into coverage. 

 

This isnt the 60's.  The days of Fran Tarkenton are over. 

 

Manziel and Wilson are built almost exactly they same. Manziel weights 209, Wilson is 206. They are also both the same height, maybe Manziel is a half inch taller. He can defiantly come in and play the same type of role Russel Wilson does, all he needs to do is slide a little more.

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Manziel will measure at 5'10" 175 lbs in the combine.  Looks like he wears a size medium t-shirt with those wimpy shoulders and frame.  He probably only benches 225 lbs 5 times.  They are lying about his hands.  Looks like normal sized hands for his frame to me.

Brees measured 6'0 at the combine. Not a chance in Hades that Manziel measure that tall.

 

Look at the picture below and keep in mind that Te'o is 6'1

 

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To me it says that it's not Manziel's play-style that is Favre-ish, but rather his attitude. As the article states "...'I think he’s going to be great, but you’re going to have to deal with him on his terms.'..." That has to be worrisome. Yes, you may get some outstanding Quarterback play, but how much of a pain is he going to be throughout the week?

 

Brett Favre's attitude cannot be compared that way. Nobody ever said he had a character or personality issue, even after he was fined for being late to a team meeting. I can't see a psychological comparison at all.

 

Lets face it... he just won't look right in a tinhorn or blackhole uniform.

 

Besides... we will need a QB with mobility to get away from Clowney and Watt.

 

What is a blackhole uniform?

 

If we don't pick Teddy Bridgewater, the reason is the Texans picked him. Why are you worried about Clowney playing with Watt?

 

If Clowney and Manziel are there at #3, I just can't justify picking Manziel. When it is all said and done and the excitement of the bowl games dies down, and character/physical attribute questions start hitting the press, I am pretty sure Manziel will fall between 10-15.

 

If you want to worry about character and attitude, you have no reason to want Clowney. He has been getting a lot of bad press for being a slacker and speeder. 

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Manziel will measure at 5'10" 175 lbs in the combine.  Looks like he wears a size medium t-shirt with those wimpy shoulders and frame.  He probably only benches 225 lbs 5 times.  They are lying about his hands.  Looks like normal sized hands for his frame to me.

 

How much would you like to wager on that sir? Guarantee he weighs 200+ and is at least 5'11".

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