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The Case for Going QB Early (Long)
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(03-26-2020, 10:09 AM)Upper Wrote:(03-25-2020, 08:09 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: The history of this team includes plenty of horrible offensive drafting, but recently the draft has been more defensively focused and the offensive picks have been mostly fine. Yeldon and Cann were both from a weak draft. Hindsight is 20/20 and I'm sure you can find better players picked after them (David Johnson instead of Yeldon for sure), but for each "better player" picked in rounds 2 and 3 that year I could find at least five that were worse. Cann had a stellar rookie season as a guard, but has declined ever since. I'm sure the Gus culture and lack of OL coaching were a significant factor in his case. Lee seemed to be good value at the time. He has had constant injuries issues and never turned into the WR he was expected to be. I'm not sure if the injuries were the reason he never looked all that good even when healthy (although he did lead the Jags in receptions in 2017), but it could be the explanation. I do agree that drafting a RB high in this day and age (Yeldon and Fournette) is almost always a mistake. "Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?" We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
(03-25-2020, 12:01 AM)Bullseye Wrote:(03-24-2020, 05:06 PM)Caldrac Wrote: My thoughts with the first eight picks in the draft is that realistically there's a good chance you're not going to see Chase Young, Jeffrey Okudah nor Isaiah Simmons slip to us with the 9th overall pick. I like Derrick Brown. And he may or may not be there. It would be hard for me. I like Andrew Thomas at LT. But I think he's a better run blocker than pass blocker, and this is from watching a lot of Georgia games. He's rated highly in pass protection because they rarely pass the damn football. I don't really know how well he'll hold up in pass protection at this level. It doesn't of course. Just because you have a "primary goal" doesn't mean that you have to do something stupid if the choices don't fit your goal. Picking a QB at 9 could end up being incredibly stupid too, for three reasons: 1) The usual reason that our pick could be the next QB bust (there have been plenty in recent years even excluding Bortles and Gabbert). 2) Minshew could turn out to be a top five QB (while unlikely, it's not extremely unlikely). 3) If Minshew fails badly enough we are likely in position to draft Lawrence. Those last two factors didn't exist when the Jags passed on Watson and Mahomes (and Wilson). In this draft there will be plenty of WR upgrades in rounds 2 and 3, and I've seen plenty of mocks where one of the top three WR and/or OT will still be there at pick 20. It's a crapshoot as to who is the best among the top three at both positions. "Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?" (03-25-2020, 06:32 AM)The Real Marty Wrote:(03-24-2020, 03:53 PM)Bullseye Wrote: (Emphasis added)Okay, you've raised several points, so here is my response. (Numbering added.) 1. Agreed completely he played well enough last year to earn some benefit of the doubt. 2. Not trying to put words in your mouth or deliberately misrepresent you, but that seems kinda implicit when it comes to placing the draft "focus" on putting weapons around Minshew. 3. Not necessarily. Your premise behind this statement assumes several things:
Regarding Minshew's potential failures,, there is varying degrees of failure. Suppose Minshew starts off hot then crashes and burns and we finish 5-11. Based upon this year's draft order, that would put us around 5th or 6th. While that is decent draft position, if we were interested in Lawrence or perhaps Fields, we'd likely be out of the running without a substantial trade up (without the extra picks we could use), and whichever team has the top pick likely won't be inclined to deal down. The last bullet point is pretty mich self explanatory. While we indeed could still land our desired QB in 2021 if Minshew fails, there is a lot that makes that less likely. 4. That is fair speculation, one I do not completely discount. While his 6th round status did not preclude him from playing as well as he did (it certainly didn't hurt Brady's career at all), part of my argument hinges on the fact taking a QB high this year would not violate the unwritten rule about taking QBs in the first round in successive years because Minshew was a 6th rounder. That aside, there is still the possible remainder of lingering doubt as to why/how Minshew lasted that long in the first place. I mean this IS the website where #becausejaguars originated, is it not? Getting a franchise QB in he 6th round doesn't happen for us, does it? I'm no mind reader, but I submit underneath all of the excitement surrounding Minshew mania here among Jaguars fans, there is an undercurrent of waiting to see when and how the wheels fall off of this thing. To be clear, I am not DOWN on Minshew. His rookie year was promising and is enough to cause reasonable and knowledgeable people (on the team and on the boards) to put faith in him. Given the weaknesses on this team and how the board seems likely to fall, there is justification for loading up on offense in this draft. But given our draft position the availability of QB a broad consensus of observers feel could be of first round caliber, the overwhelming depth of the WR position in this draft, and our abundance of draft capital we have over the next twoyears, if there is a time to over saturate the position in our quest to find that franchise signal caller, it's now. Worst to 1st. Curse Reversed!
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