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TJBender · 07-26-2017, 08:23 PM

(07-26-2017, 05:12 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: I started to have a discussion with my very liberal and gay brother about the ban on transgenders in the military and something came to mind.

When it comes to discussing global warming climate change, liberals are always quick to point out and cite "science" regarding this.

If a debate and/or discussion comes up regarding creationism vs. evolution, the main argument from the left is "science".

When it comes to transgender issues, they are quick to cite "feelings" or "identity" and basically ignore science. After all, when a person is born, science determines their gender not how they "feel".

I would love for some of our liberal friends on here to explain what the difference is.

My relation to the term "liberal" ends at the "liber" part, but I'll take a stab at this anyway because I know I'm considerably left of you in these matters.

There is sound scientific data showing that the earth is warming, there's a hole in the ozone layer, greenhouse gases are contributing to it and that climate is changing. There is sound scientific evidence in the form of a fossil record that goes back millions of years indicating that life, as it is today, is not as it always was. These are both topics up for debate.

If a sister of mine were to walk up to me and say, "T.J., I'm a man," what scientific data could I possibly pull out to convince them that they are not who they believe they are? And what decent human being would dehumanize someone like that?

That's the difference for me. Two of your examples deal with impersonal things, with no attachments or feelings intrinsic to them. Your third example involves weighing the value of a person against the value of a book. I don't necessarily agree with the concept of transgender, but I don't necessarily disagree with it either. You can prove climate change, evolution and creationism to some extent. You can't prove that a person born with a penis who is otherwise mentally sound is not actually wired as a woman.

Or, in my case, an attack helicopter.