(08-11-2017, 01:23 PM)David4499 Wrote:

(08-11-2017, 12:23 PM)I am Yoda Wrote: If we can only be pleased with a Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, or Drew Brees, we probably always going to be displeased.  From the last 30 years of the list just look at some of those qbs:
Jim McMahon
Phil Simms
Jeff Hostetler
Trent Dilfer
Mark Rypien
Brad Johnson.

And, frankly, Doug Williams and Eli Manning aren't exceptional qbs, either.

No, but they were good enough to win a ring... And I would take everyone of of them except Dilfer over Bortles.

Why?  Because they were the qbs of winning teams?  Put anyone on the list I provided on a bottom 5 roster of their era and they don't elevate it.  They don't win.  They were average...journeymen....not all-time greats.

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(08-11-2017, 02:38 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote:

(08-11-2017, 12:23 PM)I am Yoda Wrote: And, frankly, Doug Williams 

Doug Williams career:

Completion %  49.5%
TDs  100  INTs 93
Rating  69.4

Except the one year in Washington & the Super Bowl win, he was mediocre.

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(08-11-2017, 01:46 PM)Kane Wrote:

(08-11-2017, 01:36 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: The thing is, "they" didn't win a ring, their TEAM did.

Had Bortles thrown some bad passes or some picks, then there might be an issue.  The same could be said about Henne.  There isn't a QB on that list any more (or less) talented than what we have right now.

Except the added Eli Manning...

I think he started out 'meh' but turned into a very good QB.

Maybe he won't ever be considered "elite" but I'd say he is definitely better than BB5, currently.

I think that's fair to say.  But Eli is what, a 13 year vet?  And other than two lucky catches by his receivers in two Super Bowls, he would be considered meh if his last name were Jones or Brown instead of Manning.

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