(08-26-2017, 10:24 AM)MalabarJag Wrote: (08-25-2017, 10:48 PM)TJBender Wrote: So we live in a country where it's ok to illegally detain someone who happens to be brown, and marching with tiki torches while chanting Nazi slogans makes you a very fine person.
25th Amendment, please. Or impeachment. Or coercion. Don't care, just make him go away and give us Pence.
Hyperbole is strong in this one.
No one is saying that it's OK to illegally detain a person. It is within the right of the police to detain a person suspected of committing a crime. Maybe that needs to be changed, but that's another matter entirely.
No one on this board has said that "marching with tiki torches while chanting Nazi slogans makes you a very fine person." Neither did Trump, although that's the leftist media spin on his statement.
I saw some Soviet flags and Communist slogans in the [BLEEP]-hat march. Does that mean that everyone in the march was a Communist? Would you say that someone who said that there are some fine people in that march was saying that marching with a Soviet flag makes you a fine person?
Trump is a blustering boob, but his actual policy decisions, rather than his statements, have not been a problem. Maybe Pence would have done as well, maybe not. I do know that Pence would have gotten the same treatment from the mainstream media, making every little faux pas into a national crisis.
(08-26-2017, 10:23 AM)rollerjag Wrote: Do you think legal immigrants and citizens can be detained just because their skin is brown?
Do you think an officer of the court can openly defy a court order?
Do you have an example of a legal immigrant being detained by Arpaio merely because of his skin color?
(08-26-2017, 11:12 AM)rollerjag Wrote: (08-26-2017, 10:24 AM)MalabarJag Wrote:
Do you have an example of a legal immigrant being detained by Arpaio merely because of his skin color?
No, because they were eventually released, which is not the point. These were traffic stops. The U.S. Constitution requires probable cause. Is brown skin probable cause? Is evidence discovered in an unwarranted search and seizure admissible in court?
Do you think it's ok for an officer of the court to openly defy a court order?
Under the prior administration, exactly that happened. ICE was effectively shut down by the babbling buffoon.
To add, there is a procedure in place to immigrate to the US LEGALLY. Those who don't choose that path are breaking the law. Arizona is inundated with illegal aliens. If a LEGAL immigrant is pulled over and checked, they have nothing to worry about.
This is no difference than police watching known drug houses, and pulling over cars that leave that place.
It goes back to the old saying, if you do no wrong, no wrong will come to you.
What lies behind us, and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us.
