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MalabarJag · 08-28-2017, 06:59 PM

(08-27-2017, 04:40 PM)rollerjag Wrote:
(08-26-2017, 11:56 AM)MalabarJag Wrote:
Once again, how do you know it was "brown skin" that was the reason? Not all illegals (or even Mexicans) have brown skin. Cops develop a judgement based on extensive experience, and that, rather than skin color, was probably the factor that determined who was detained.

And judges should not be ceded dictatorial power.

You are either willfully ignorant or incredibly naive. I know you'll discount anything done by the Obama era DoJ, but Arpaio was a bad actor.

(08-28-2017, 02:03 PM)rollerjag Wrote:
(08-28-2017, 12:57 PM)MalabarJag Wrote: You mentioned the Justice Dept. as a source of your info ... without providing any actual info.

A Clinton appointed judge is mostly likely a partisan Dem, most of whom defend illegal entry. I don't see how that changes my comment about partisan judges.

I have no sympathy for Arpaio, who seems to me like a stereotypical overzealous cop, but I'd like to see some actual facts before I judge whether or not it was a mistake to pardon him.

I asked. So far you have responded with nothing. In particular you haven't provided any evidence that skin color was the factor in who was detained, which was your original claim. Profiling based on skin color is unconstitutional. Profiling based on ability to speak English is not. If the profiling was based on the latter (which I deem much more likely, since Mexicans come in all colors) then the judge was acting as a partisan rather than an objective protector of the law.

I never mentioned the Justice Dept., I referred to the judge's decision, you conflated judges with the AG.

Ok, I will concede your point, there is no evidence I can find anyone was detained solely because their skin color was brown. I meant it as a euphamism, but you got me on a technicality. Bravo. But, despite your attempt to discredit the judge as partisan, the fact is enough evidence of illegal profiling was presented for a federal judge to order Arpaio to stop, which he openly defied.

Arpaio wasn't merely a typical overzealous cop, he was Trump's kind of cop. Check him out, let it sink in.

See your quote about the DoJ. You were right, I discount anything claimed by the Obama-era DoJ, especially with regards to race (although neither Mexican nor Illegal Immigrant is a race, Obama's DoJ treated them that way).

How do you know what "Trump's kind of cop" is? Trump is pretty left wing on social issues. I doubt Trump approves of Arpaio's policing methods. Trump probably only knows of Arpaio's emphasis on deporting foreigners illegally in the US. Frequently Trump doesn't delve deeply into issues to get the full story (at least that's my impression), and the full story of Arpaio is much worse than just rounding up foreign invaders. As I read more about Arpaio I agree that he deserves jail time, and shouldn't have been pardoned.

My point was that what one judge calls "illegal profiling" may not actually be illegal in spite of the overwhelming evidence of profiling. Not all profiling is illegal, but there are judges who consider all profiling illegal. Profiling by skin color is illegal.

"Why should I give information to you when all you want to do is find something wrong with it?"