(10-30-2017, 05:53 PM)Billsfan1212 Wrote: So you are easily grouping a guy who earned a SECOND contract to guys who didn't make it through their first?  Must be liberating to not be burdened by thinking.

Quote:Even if he didnt keep going to the pro bowl, he was at least expected to be productive. 
He wasn't.
That simple.
Would you be happy if Bortles came out and made the pro bowl 2x in his 1st 4 years, you then made him the highest paid player on your team and then he proceeded to get multiple suspensions, cause problems, and hurt the teams performance?
No, you wouldnt. You'd consider him a bust - and even more so b/c of the hindrance he caused to your cap.
I cant even imagine what would happen if he remained in BUF and got another strike or worse -makes him sit for AN ENTIRE YEAR!!!!!.
At the end of 2013, he was late for team meetings twice.
Marrone benched him for a quarter in a game against Miami as punishment, then the day after the game, he was late again, so in the final game against the Patriots, he was benched for a half.
Five months later, in a span of about 30 days in May 2014, he was arrested on a synthetic drug-possession charge back home in Alabama.
Then he lost control of his car and slammed into a tree outside a restaurant in the Buffalo suburb of Hamburg while he was drag racing with teammate Jerry Hughes.

More substance abuse issues resurfaced while Ryan was in town, and Dareus was suspended by the league for one game at the start of the 2015 season.
Then got nailed again and had to sit out the first four games of 2016.
In between, he did a 30-day stint in rehab (though it turned out it was at One Bills Drive, not at a rehab facility) and announced that he had been afflicted with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder since he was younger.
This year he was sent home bc he was too cool to ride the bus with the team to the game even after he was told he needed to....
So....DONT COME AT ME WITH FREAKING AARON MAYBINS STATS like you know whats up.
The fact that you are totally yippie skippy about this without taking into account that theres a possibility this dosent turn out the way you think it does tells me you might not know that much about football...
Seriously, linking aaron freaking maybins stats.... good god man.
For as bad as Maybin was, at least he didnt come with all the baggage.
Dareus didn't seem to be missed yesterday.
In fact, it was nice not having to watch out for his bone headed play of the game. 
He was traded bc he was far more of a distraction than he was worth.
Again, no one trades a superstar for peanuts.
If its too good to be true, it probably is.
These are just simple facts of not only this situation, but life in general.
Did you stop to consider if it was THAT big of a fleecing, maybe you would have had to give more than a 6th bc teams would be lining up around the block for his services even with his contract?

I assure you, there is no butt hurtedness here.
Quite a callus has been built up over the last 17 years.
Uninformed folks on message boards aside, this was a universally celebrated trade amongst fans. 
Again... if this is such a bang up move for the jags, i don't get why there is sooo much reassuring going on.

It's a gamble plain and simple...

See? because you decided to be ignorant to the situation and insulting, you've got me bashing... which wasnt my intent as I contend I liked the kid. He seems to have a big heart and although he will remain a bust in BUF, I sincerely hope he finds his way and regains his form. The league could use a success story rather than another clown having everything handed to him and blowing it....

And just so I dont get some smart response about 'gee, it sounds like you really like him' he did do excellent things away from the field and seems to have a big heart....
https://buffalowdown.com/2016/11/22/marc...s-charity/
(which counts for NOTHING during game day mind you... but its nice)

Since we are going down memory lane here let's review some more facts.

1.  Buffahole hired Doug Marrone and signed him to a deal that allowed him to escape if Wilson was no longer the owner.    Wilson died, Pegula became owner, and did not bother to renegotiate the clause that allowed Marrone to leave once Wilson was not owner, or otherwise failed to persuade Marrone to stay.  Marrone coaches the Bills to their first winning season in ten years.  Marrone exercises his rights to leave under the terms negotiated by both parties, and Butt hurt Bills fans like yourself call him a quitter, a lousy coach, yada yada yada.  Nevermind his immediate successor in title did not match his level of success.

2.  Faced with the unexpected job opening, Pegula and Buffahole had ample opportunity to hire Jim Schwartz as the new head coach.  Schwartz was your defensive coordinator in 2014, when the Bills finished 4th in total defense, and when Dareus was most productive.  Instead you let him walk, and bring in, of all people, the walking dumpster fire known as Rex Ryan.  Rex Ryan promptly switches from a very successful scheme and installs his 3-4 defense.  Yes, Dareus' productivity dropped... primarily because he moved from a DT to a NT.  That sort of thing tends to happen to DTs that move to NT. But while you portray Dareus as the one malingerer on the Bills defense, the simple truth (since you like simple but apparently not truth) is that defensive productivity for the Bills dropped ACROSS THE BOARD.  They went from 4th in scoring in 2014, to 15th in scoring in 2015, to 16th last year.  They went from first in the league with 54 sacks in 2014 to 31st in the league with 21 in 2015.  Dareus, Jerry Hughes, Mario Williams...ALL had dramatic dropoffs in sacks.  But I guess that's Dareus' fault?  They went from 11th in rush defense in '14 to 16th in 2015 to 28th overall last year.  But that's all on Dareus, too...right?  Nobody else dropped off...right?  The scheme change had nothing to do with anything and was at all times perfect for the personnel...right?  But no...you aren't butt hurt at all. (insert eye roll here)

3.  Based upon your ridiculous hypothetical, Bortles would be a disappointment, not a bust.  Of course the impact of a starting QB going in total meltdown would be far different from a DT going into meltdown because of the roles each play on a team, but nevermind that obvious fact for now.  As much as you'd like to, you can't simply gloss over the two Pro Bowls Bortles made in your hypothetical, any more than you anyone with an appreciation of fact can ignore the two Pro Bowls Dareus made for you.  The fact is, even with all of his off field baggage, Dareus was way more productive than Maybin.  Hell. even taking your drivel about not missing him at face value, Dareus still produced a sack against Cincinnati earlier this year, which, taken alone, still made him more productive than Aaron Freaking Maybin.  There is no way anyone can SENSIBLY put Dareus in the same category as Maybin, even factoring in the off field stuff.

4.  You say nobody trades superstars for peanuts.  Interesting.  Would you say San Francisco got good value for Charles Haley when they sent him to Dallas?  What about Atlanta trading away Brett Favre or Tampa trading away Steve Young?  Do you think the 2nd round pick the Colts got for Marshall Faulk was good return for someone who wound up being league MVP, a Super Bowl champion and a Hall of Famer?  The Raiders traded Randy Moss to New England for a 4th round pick.  Miami traded Welker for a 3rd.  You remember those deals don't you?  You should, because those guys have absolutely owned you.    

5.  Nobody, not me or anyone posting in this thread, denied that Dareus has had some off field issues, so your edit adding this stuff was absolutely worthless and shined no light on this matter.  For that matter, nobody has guaranteed Dareus will be a rousing success here, nor has anyone reassured themselves or anyone else.  The overwhelming majority of posters here have argued it's a trade with low risk and high potential for reward.  At the end of the day, we have a Bills fan on a Jaguars board trying to convince Jaguars fans that a 27 year old, two time Pro Bowler is no different than another first round draft pick of yours that lasted all of two years and mustered as many sacks for the Bills as you or I have.

Now...you were saying something about uninformed posters...?